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TSBVI Tech Tea Time: Mountbatten Tutor
5/15/2025

>>Joel: Thanks for having me. My name is Joel Zimba. I'm a product specialist with HumanWare. Been doing this for seven years now. So on June 1st, it'll be seven years And I'm sure I've met a lot of you before when I'm traveling through Texas doing workshops and trainings. And I've certainly done lots of Zooms with some of you over the years. So thanks for having me again. I do support a lot of our dealers all over the country as well as work with many, many teachers and students. So I sort of meet, I meet everyone with their different requirements for understanding devices. So this is one of my One of my uh One of my fun devices to talk about because the Mountbatten holds a certain niche So let me talk a little bit about the history of the Mountbatten Brailleur. For those of you who don't know it all. It goes all the way back to the, well, in a sense, it goes all the way back to world war ii But the Brailer part of it starts in the 90s when a british a NGO, it's what they call what we would call a non-profit Was formed to help individuals who are injured in wars, all the way back to World War II. Veterans or bystanders or whatever And one of the organizations got this grant and created an electronic braille writer. So instead of a Perkins Braille writer or a Slayton stylus or whatever you had. It was this electronic braille writer and it was called the Mount Batten Braille writer or the Mountbatten Brailer Because Mount Batten, which is a branch of the loyal family, is who funded the original project, which is still going, I understand, in some degree. The Brailer has been spun off To another company. It's now run by a company in Poland. But I understand the Mountbatten Trust still exists and still develops other things. I don't know that much about that side of it, but the mountain battens Brailer first came on the scene in, I believe, the late 90s, and it's evolved over the years. I've seen the different models. The Mountbaten Learning System, the Mountbatten Whisperer. There have been a couple of others. What didn't change about the Mountbatten was its overall shape and size and function. We would add things like Bluetooth or or other features like the mimic visual display But the device itself didn't change. That all got turned on its head when we got to the Mountain Batten Tudor, which we're working toward here. So the idea of the Mountbatten is that you can take paper You can take braille paper or you can take ordinary printer paper or copy paper and roll it into the mountain batten and write braille. And it has speech and it has other tools to help you learn braille There are some games. There's a music mode. There are all kinds of other things to make the Mountbatten fun and usable. And then there are some more advanced word processing features. If you think of The… I'm showing my age a bit. If you think of the old word processors before computers, they were these self-contained devices where you pressed a code and it would Start centering what you are going to write and you type and you hit enter and it would center it. That's kind of how the mount batten would work. In a way, it's like a braille note taker, if you're familiar with those devices, except it uses paper. And it's really meant to be used worldwide So we commonly have braille paper available and we don't think twice about it, but that's really not the case, say, in Africa. And the UK, they always say that the sun never sets on the British Empire. So it was made to be this device that could work all over the world. And really be the one device that someone could use in school or at work and just be this brailler. Now, we've moved on from that, right? So that's not really what we do with the Mountbatten in the United States, for the most part. There are exceptions. I see the mountain batten used in two or three categories. Certainly. For young students learning Braille. Right. As you're learning to read and write Braille the Mountbatten can be the first tool you use and often it is. I've certainly known students who have learned to write Braille using the Mountbatten. And thanks to the Texas School for the Blind, there is a study out there that says If it's easier to write Braille The writing part is key here. If it's easier to write Braille. Then reading comprehension goes up more quickly. Someone did these studies, and I've had links to them and I can send them to you. But I'm sure Donna has them as well. And that's part of the reason that we have the Mount Baton. So rather than using a slate and stylus or Perkins Brailer it's physically easier to write with the Mountbatten. It takes less effort especially for For younger students, younger children to do. I remember how much work it was to use a Perkins brailler when I was When I was growing up, you might say I'm pre Mountbatten. So, you know, I didn't have that option. And definitely using the mount batten makes typing braille easier because those keys are electronic and it's as easy as pressing the buttons on your on your computer. So writing Braille and having the the speech feedback and other things that make it more engaging and fun. Common sense tells you that that would lead to an increase in in reading comprehension and the studies back that up. So we're really happy that the amount that has that kind of credibility in the teaching space. So that's our first big group that uses the Mountbatten. So when you unbox a Mountbatten, it comes in this little backpack And I'm sorry I don't have one here to show you, by the way. I was just telling Donna that mine has been Delayed in shipping for over a week now. Not sure what's going on. Ups is looking for it, but it should have been with me. And I regret that I don't have one to show you on camera. That was the original intent, but you'll have to rely on my theater of mind and I'll send out some some supplemental materials to Donna afterward. We are working on a whole new set of training videos since our old ones are out of date. So those will eventually be published as well. So you unbox the Mount Batman. And it looks like a Braille writer for the most part. The Tudor is two pieces. The keyboard itself is a small handheld device that is detachable and wireless. So the Braille keyboard is… something you can move around on the desk Rather than manipulating the entire device. So from an ergonomic you could hold the keyboard in your lap or you could set it on the desk or you could move it at an angle that's more suitable to you. Without moving the whole device. Now, of course, you still need to reach over to where the braille is happening on the braille paper at the top of the Mount Baton. So in that sense, it really does work like a traditional Braille writer.

[Joel Zimba] 15:09:49
There's the embossing head, which looks unmistakably like an embossing head, just like on a Brookings Braille writer and it moves from left to right And the paper moves out one line and it looks very much in that sense like a mechanical Perkins Braille Raider, except all of that is automated And there's this wireless keyboard with your standard Perkins keys. As well as a couple of others, as well as a directional pad with left, right, up, down arrows and enter in the middle and a sort of rotary function that you can you can turn a wheel clockwise or counterclockwise to change settings. And that's one big change from the original Mountbatten. So for those of you who remember unboxing a Mountbatten and unlocking the command keys and going into advanced mode with all these combinations and it's kind of arcane All that is gone. The new mountain batten works out of the box. For the most part, you plug it in, you connect the keyboard, the wireless keyboard, which is magnetic it just connects onto the front, much like our smartphones do today when they when they connect to those wireless chargers that are magnetic, they just click on and it starts charging. So you charge up the keyboard and then as soon as you turn on the device, you're ready to write braille whether you're… connecting the keyboard or not so You would turn it on. And once you have paper in it. Machine itself aligns everything. So it'll detect how wide your paper is and set things up and set up margins and all those good things. And unlike the older mount battens, there is a screen built into the Mountbatten. So you see the text that you're writing and you hear it. I believe the fancy term we use these days is multimodal. So you get speech, braille and and print of what's going on on the device. You can adjust things like the font size and whatnot. So it does have some low vision friendly features if your students are slowly moving their way from low vision to becoming a Braille user Although I mostly think of the screen as An aid for a teacher for a teacher learning braille and whatnot. I don't see very many students relying on the screen in addition to the Brailon speech, but it is certainly available. You can probably even turn it off. So the The speech that I mentioned is nice friendly a cappella speech. It's kind of industry standard. In the old days. Australian recorded voice And things were kind of quirky and funny about it. And you had to do all these complicated things to switch into text to speech instead of recorded text. All that is gone. The modern Mountbatten Tudor just uses the text to speech from the get-go So as soon as you start writing Braille. It will read the letters as you type them. And then when you hit space You know, you'll go on to the next if you're set to use contracted Braille, and we are talking UEB, of course, if you're set to use contracted braille you would write Several keystrokes. And then when you hit space your your words would be words would be your words translated and then brailled because obviously you don't know what symbols to use until you're finished with a word. So if you're writing T-I-O-N, you would hit space and you'd get the contraction written instead of the Instead of each letter being written out. So that just depends on which level of contraction you've selected and that's available in the menus on the mountain. Which is a whole different thing. So you press the center button on the wheel and it opens a menu and you can move through your menu choices Rather than finding up finding the command sequences so Not only did you have to have the Mountbatten, but you had this big book with all the command sequences because I could never remember them and no one else could either. And a lot of the common ones are now in the menus. The menus, by the way, are let's call it a work in progress We are always soliciting feedback from users, from students, from teachers about what they think should be in the menus. They are something we have a lot of say in. And because the us is probably the biggest single customer of the Mount Batten we definitely get a lot of say in how we want those menus to work. So if there are features you think belong in the menus, by all means. You know get in touch with Donna or get in touch with me And we can certainly talk about that back at HumanWare because we want it to be a device that is as friendly as we can make it for teachers and students. That's really our goal. So we have young students using the mountain bat, and that's probably the largest group. And then we see folks moving on from the Mount Batten to things like a braille note taker or a Braille display in a computer or whatever other devices that tends to be. Once you understand the relationship of a page the What a paragraph looks like and how lines go one under another and you move back to the left to read the next line and that two-dimensional understanding of of how text works. Then you would move on to using a more conventional braille display, right? Where it's one line at a time. And unless, of course, you're using a monarch, which is a whole other discussion.

>>Donna: Joel, I'm sorry, this is Donna. I just wanted to let you know I'm sharing my screen with a picture of the Mountbatten tutor so folks can get kind of an idea of what it looks like if they have not seen one before.

>>Joel: Great. Is that a view from the top or the front?

>>Donna: I've got several. The first one I have is a view from the front where the keyboard is separate from the device. So you can see how it comes apart.

>>Joel: Okay. Yes. Great.

>>Donna: And there's someone with their hands on it, so it gives it kind of a dimensional um And then the next one is, again, a top view of them separate.

>>Joel: Yeah.

>>Donna: And then together. From kind of like the side. And then a front view with them together where the display is and showing the papers loaded. And so that kind of gives them an idea of what we're talking about if they'd never seen the tutor before.

>>Joel: And it really is as simple as the pictures look. I think I had mine working in five minutes after I unboxed it. I have found that I tend to leave the keyboard connected most of the time unless there's a pressing reason not to. It's kind of cool that it is detachable and movable for certain situations, but I think it can overly complicate the question of, did you remember to stick it back on the device to charge? You know, where did you set it? Which way is it turned especially when students are starting out becoming familiar with technology as well as familiar with Braille. It adds a certain level of complication So knowing how to find the keyboard because it's in the center of the front of the device. And not having the issue of having it turned the wrong way All those things are removed from the equation in the beginning. And again, I'm mostly talking younger students here. Obviously, when you have older students, it's a whole different game. Because they are in control more of their understanding of technology. So those issues get sidelined.

>>Donna: And question you may not know. This is Donna again. If a student is say using it and it puts the embosser part say next to the teacher. Yeah.

>>Donna: How far that can they go across the classroom with the keyboard and still interact with the tutor?

>>Joel: So it'll go a good 30 feet. I have tested it. It'll go a good long way. Although there are You know, people have these situations where they might want to do that. But I would just say that there's never a situation where you have a sighted student who can write and not see what they're writing. In a classroom situation. So why would you want to have a blind student in that situation?

>>Donna: True.

>>Joel: I don't necessarily think it's the best idea Some people have a thought that maybe you're taking a test or doing something special And that may be true. There may be a reason to do it from time to time. But as a rule. We don't generally teach writing and reading as separate activities. You want to be able to read what you've written And I think that really is one of the key advantages of of the Mount Baton. Otherwise, you could just have a typewriter. You You wouldn't have to you wouldn't need to see what you're writing at all

>>Donna: Good point. Good point.

>>Joel: But just because you brought that up, one of the most common questions about the Mount Batten, and I think it's a little bit of a confusion point. While I'm at it, you can connect a QWERTY keyboard to the Mountbatten and if you're Braille translation is turned on as you type, it will translate your words and and emboss them in and emboss them in contracted braille or whatever braille table you're using So you can use it that way. So if you're not a braille writer, you can write something in Braille. Handy, handy tool for quickly creating something. Another thing I would point out is that it looks like a braille embosser, but it ain't a braille embosser. It really is a writing tool. And while you can store documents in memory or copy them to the mount batten from a computer or from bluetooth. You can do those things. I would only do it in something that's a page or so long. It's really much, much slower than a braille embosser would be. And not really the intended purpose. In a pinch, you could do it. So I've seen it used for things like brailing out a list of spelling words or spelling words you know a test where you would you would mark the true or false boxes or something like that. But it's a small page or two that you could emboss I wouldn't recommend trying to emboss a 20-page document. It's just not going to make anyone happy. And it'll take forever. While I'm on the subject, if we're talking about what is different from the old Mount Baton and the new dramatically quieter, I have found. I've had them side by side and the new device is considerably quieter I would say that maybe it is slightly more delicate than the original model. I haven't performed a drop test I honestly have trouble keeping one in the house, much less having two or three for a drop test. But I do get the feeling that because it is much lighter, it's a few pounds lighter and much easier to transport, that maybe it's not the the well-armored tank that the original Mountbatten started out as although it's modern shape and size and ergonomics certainly make up for that. It is something you want to keep in mind if you have A student who's going to be rougher on technology. So the second group that really starts using a Mountbatten is when you get back into math, like higher math. So around seventh or eighth grade, when you start doing algebra or geometry. I see students starting to use the mountain batten again after they haven't for a while. And this makes sense if you've taught higher math because you have to start lining up equations and working with spacing. And dealing with the geometry proofs where you want things to be listed out and refer back to them and And there's that whole spatial element of mathematics. So again, you're using those two-dimensional ideas of of paper and it becomes a lot easier until you've mastered what you're doing. Once you're really comfortable. Switching back to a Braille display or a note taker or whatever becomes much more feasible if that's your approach. And I see that happen a lot. So you'll be using one device for a lot of your classes and then maybe as you're learning higher math, you'd have a Mountbaten As you're figuring out solving equations and all those good things. And then once you get down and you're moving up in your your math education by the time you're doing, I don't know, pre-calc or whatever, I would never see someone doing that on a mount patent But certainly in those early years of mastering mathematics, you would do that. There is a Nemeth code mode as well as UEB on the Mountbatten. What I find most students do is just turn off the speech or turn the volume down and then write whatever they want to write because it doesn't care for the most part. You just set it in uncontracted and start brailing away. And you don't care that it might say the wrong thing for a dollar sign, but you can switch it into Nemeth code mode in order to have the proper things spoken. And that can be helpful if you're learning Nemeth code. So cool tutor feature, cool mountain tutor feature is that navigating around can just be done with the arrow keys. If you want to go up two lines and over three spaces. And turn a four into a three, you literally press the up arrow three times and the right arrow two times. And you write what you want to have in that space. And then it is written there. The old code is or the whatever symbol was there is erased by the magic of the Mountbatten. And it's the new symbol is written in there. So again, super useful for Solving equations or correcting math. Equations and whatnot. As long as the Mountbatten knows where you're moving to. So you wouldn't want to pop open the lever that lets you freely move the paper and move it up six lines and then pop the lever back down because then it loses Track of where the paper is in relation to the the memory, right? There's no way of physically reading the paper for the device. But if it's all being controlled by the Mount Batten, you can certainly move with great precision all over a page and write things and write things and change things and edit and whatnot. In fact, there are some games there's I think battleship and Mastermind and things like that that help you get used to moving around a page. To develop those skills. I think that's a cool way of really getting more comfortable with technology, not necessarily mastering the Mount Baton itself, but just getting comfortable with technology because those skills are things you're going to be using forever in terms of Moving around and navigating and editing More so than the device itself, which of course probably is not something you're going to use all the time. The Mountbatten was released during the pandemic. So we had a bunch come to the US and then Then we found out it would be six months before we got more because parts weren't going to China or Parts from China weren't going to Hungary or whatever it was. It's Poland, actually, not Hungary. They're assembled in Poland. So the launch of the Mountbatten has taken a while. In fact, we never did a formal product announcement. Humanware now selling the Tudor. Because they would be around for a while and then it would take a while to get more and it was a frustrating situation, which of course is now behind us. Now we've moved on to other supply issues, none of which are affecting the mountain baton. But… But we definitely had a time until things got ironed out and we could reliably get them out to everybody in every state That is definitely cleared up, but we have plenty of mount battens for everybody. And… It's been a pretty warm reception. Donna gave the The Mountain, a glowing review and we were chatting before we started And I was really glad to hear that because I I've wondered how well it would land. Have we saturated the market with other Braille devices and other computing devices? And is there still a place And my feeling is yes, and I'm really glad to know that it really does seem to the market seems to agree. All of you still seem to think it's a useful tool, which really makes me happy. I would hate to see Hard copy braille go away. And I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. And the Mountbatten is testament to that. So do we have any questions, Donna? I can keep going, but happy to interact.

>>Donna: We do not have any questions. I was just letting folks know that we will have supplemental, my camera's off. We will have supplemental things sent out to them with the recording. And remember, drop those questions in the chat or the Q&A and we will get them answered. This really is One of my favorite devices, classic model all the way through the new one. For those of you who are interested and maybe want to try it before you um settle in or need to trial it with your student, we do have one in our loan library. But we just have one. So the list fills up pretty quickly.

>>Joel: The dance card is full, huh?

>>Donna: Sorry about that. Dance card gets full pretty quickly for that device. I'll hand it back

>>Joel: Sure. So we talked about two groups of folks who seem to use the Mountbatten. There are a couple more. One of them is the older the older folks learning Braille. So if you're older and and you lose enough vision that you lose learning braille becomes becomes something you want to do. I think having having the mountain baton handy is really a good tool for that. Now, that's probably not the focus that most of you would be involved in, but I definitely see some interest And the Veterans Administration has a little bit of A hand in the Mount Batten. There are some occupational therapists who have reached out to me about Because it really does seem to have a solid And it's also recognizable, right? It looks in a way like a typewriter and functions that way. So I think it's a little bit more familiar people moving into the braille world. And I'm a little new to this part of things, although many of you may not be, but I have seen English as a second language be a group of folks who are really enjoying the mountain baton. You get braille feedback and you get speech feedback You get the letters and the words. You can also have a sentence reading mode turned on. Which I know exists, I haven't done, but I know it is doable. There are also some text review functions. For reading what you've written for reading So you could have the previous paragraph be read And maybe as you go back and read it physically And that seems to be something that blind students who are learning English seem to enjoy. And that makes a certain Concrete sense to me i i'm I'm not a teacher, but it makes sense to me that if you're hearing and feeling the braille at the same time or hearing what you're writing that that bridges that gap from spoken language to written language. So I see that being an asset. Someone needs to do a study on it. If I were to find a TVI who wanted a doctorate, I think that would be a great project for someone to do.

>>Donna: Joel, I just graduated last week. I am not taking any more projects.

>>Joel: Congratulations. But if there's someone out there who's going for some kind of master's thesis or doctoral thesis and you want to partner with me and you want to do a CSUN presentation on you know teaching braille and teaching English as a second language or something like that I think that's a really interesting area to study. I think there's just not enough information. And I think the mountain batten would be a great tool for it So moving on. One of the really popular features of the Old Mountain was the mimic app. Which you can install on your iPhone or your Android phone. It is free. You can go grab it right now. And you can also pair it up with the Mountbatten Tutor. It'll just show up as a device in the app. You don't pair it with the Bluetooth on your phone directly, you would just find it in the app and you'll see the device listed there and you just select it and it magically through the power of wireless technology pairs up And you can do all kinds of cool features When you have them paired up, like there is a back and forth typing mode, like you would type something and then whatever the student types appears on your screen. There's a whiteboard mode where you would just see whatever is typed. There's a way to upload a short piece of text. You could import documents and then have the the mount that and write them I mentioned a test earlier as being an example for doing that. It occurs to me that the example that we were talking about earlier where you might not have the keyboard and the device connected and you'd be writing. That really maybe the mimic is what you want, where you want to see at a distance what a student is is writing so maybe you'd be orally giving a test and we want them to write their answers And instead of collecting it afterwards, you'd see it in real time as the writing. And you could certainly do that with the Mimic app. That might accomplish the kinds of things that you're thinking of where you want to have this remote access And of course, if it's not an if it's not something you're doing orally. You could go in the the chat mode, I forget exactly what it's called, where you would write something and press send and it would write on the Mountbatten And then the student would write their response and you would see that. That can also be used in a lot of testing situations or other studying approaches that I can imagine. I think with the the mimic app. You really have this powerful combination. And I see the app used a lot, lots and lots of people prefer that. Just because then they don't have to look at this screen of the Mount Batten or look at the braille. You also have access to some of the settings. I think you can turn off the contractions You can change some of the other settings. From the app as well. So it's just a whole usability suite for the Mountbatten. A couple care and feeding things to know if you are going to get your own Mountbatten or borrow Donas. When you receive it, there is a piece of cardstock slid in under the embossing head And that is that that is a protective measure it stops anything that impacts the embossing head from damaging the little braille hammers and pins and things And if it wears out, you can cut one out just to the same size and shape and slide it in there. It just has to be heavy. Kind of cardstock to lock in there when you're transporting them out that and There's a dust cover, a plastic cover that can go over the top I often don't put mine on. When I'm… leaving it assembled, but certainly if I'm going to be carrying it around or putting it away in the backpack, I put that cover on. And that just keeps keeps dust and debris or anything from falling on the surface, that sort of thing. And another usability tip is that You can put paper into the Mountbatten either way. So as you slide paper in through the top of the mount baton past the embossing head. If you have a large enough piece of paper, it'll come out the back. You can also slide it in through the back, which I prefer. I'm not sure why, but I find it easier. However. Especially younger students who aren't tall enough to reach over to the back of the mount bat and might slide it in from the top. And you have to just decide how you're going to line things up. The paper is free moving at first until you lock it down. So you have to line it up with the left edge. And then you have to line it up so that it's straight across. And there are many landmarks on the Mount Batten to do that.

[Joel Zimba] 15:36:58
There are many grooves and things right above the embossing head that you can use to tactilely line things up and then you'd slide the right margin stop over to stop the to set where the right edge would be. And then you lock the lock the paper down. I think they call that a paper veil. Then you lock it down to lock it down to secure it and then everything gets gets aligned and the print head figures out where it is and all that good stuff. So you'll find that. Some will prefer feeding it from the top and some prefer from the bottom. What you don't want to do is crinkle one of the edges That either means that you have the right margin stopped too tight or things aren't quite straight inside it when jams happen, it's very sad because you end up ruining your whole piece of grill paper and probably having to start over. And that will happen in the beginning. You just have to get used to it. You have to do that a few times till you become comfortable. And I think that's part of learning tactile dexterity It is really important that students become very, very comfortable using technology and using paper and doing those things independently And as much as we might want to help them out get them sorted out so you can get on with the learning part The manipulating those little pieces and whatnot is arguably more important. In the long run. I realize it doesn't get the braille lesson taken care of and it doesn't get the IEP goals checked off. But really becoming comfortable with unpacking it and plugging it in and setting it up and the parts and what they all are and getting everything ready to go and broken down at the end of the day. As soon as it's feasible, preferably never, don't make that the job of the para Don't make it your job. Make it the student's job. Because they need to learn that. They need to learn how to get everything together to go to the next class. And have everything organized know if your device is going to be charged for the next day And all those kinds of organization and planning that I often see skipped over in favor of the actual scholastic content, as it were. And I think that's to the detriment And it's one of the fun things about the Mount Baton. When you turn it off, it says bye-bye. And it's kind of fun to hear it say bye-bye at the end of the day. So I think Again, part of it is to make the device engaging and fun. And they do that in lots of little ways. So that's a lot of my spiel on the Mount Batten. Again, happy to answer questions. And if folks out there get get some Mountbatens. I certainly… could be available to help you get started. Although our tech support will do that, of course. We always offer free tech support on our products. For the life of the device. But always open to maybe a little group get together on tips and tricks for the mountain baton. So happy to do that.

>>Donna: Wonderful. We still have a little bit of time. Does anyone have any questions? We've got folks hanging around. If you need to… have a visual to ask your question, let me know. I will pull something up and we can get to it. If you have any kind of questions, get those over in the Q&A and the chat. And see if we can't talk through this lovely device that is just leaps and bounds i think Even though I love, love, love. The whisper and the learning system and all of those, this one happens to be my favorite version of the

>>Joel: Well, it is worth mentioning that we have We have reached end of life for all of those devices. It's not possible to get them repaired anymore. They were great. They lasted a good long time. But if you have an aging Mountbatten, it's time to think about about upgrading out there. And I know they do live on year after year on shelves But eventually something needs to be fixed or repaired or upgraded or whatever.

>>Donna: Yep.

>>Joel: So if you have a Mountbatten out there that might be might be getting a little long in the tooth. It's probably time to update to the new one.

>>Donna: And those are the sad phone calls that I don't like to get. Is when our Mountbatten has… Giving up the ghost. And left us for better pastures of technology.

>>Joel: I would certainly entertain if you find, you know, sometimes you find a parcel of them. A district will have six or eight of them sitting on a shelf somewhere, or even if they're all broken up, you know, we would we would entertain Arranging for quite a few of them to to be to be bought at once too so that's that's something we've done a few times for different schools Yeah.

>>Donna: Awesome. So definitely get to check in that inventory and see if y'all have some mount battens hiding back in the shelves.

>>Joel: I don't know about Texas, but it definitely happens in other states.

>>Donna: Oh, I don't doubt it does happen. Well, it doesn't seem like we have any questions. Joel, is there anything more that you could share to us? Any resources for if we get our Mountbatten and Maybe helps with lessons and things like that.

>>Joel: Sure. So… Yeah, absolutely. So there used to be a nice six part video series on getting up and going with the original Mountbatten series and Not enough of it is still accurate to have that still around. But we are working on producing the new version of that. The HW Buddy app Which is not updated as much as I would like, but we do still update it. Hw for human wear, HW Buddy. Can be downloaded. And it does have Mountbatten information in it. It also gets you in touch with all of our human wear resources There are lots of videos on other products. There are all the phone numbers and email addresses. And speaking of email addresses. Mine is Joel, J-O-E-L dot zimba, Z-I-M-B-A. At humanware.com and any of you are always welcome to reach out to me I'm… happy to help you out. I generally don't generally because of my scheduling thing, I'm not necessarily available for tech support type things are are or folks that you would call are there from nine to five every day to help you out. But certainly, if you want a response at the speed of email, you're welcome to get in touch with me. Or for any other topic related to human wear human wear devices and such. And I'm always around. And if I can't get you an answer, I'll find you. Find you someone who can. So happy to do that.

>>Donna: And this is not a human where resource, but I've just shared in the chat a set BC, I love their for a teacher who's a visual teacher And I may not have a device other than my student's device, I like having Pictures showing me what it's going to be like when it's configured. So set BC has a introductory visual guide. For the Mountbatten Tudor. And I used their Classic Mountbatten guide religiously when when I had it. It was in my bag. And when a command came up, I had my guide there or I could leave it with an a para or a teacher if the student was um was still learning. So I did put that resource in the chat for you.

>>Joel: Thanks. Actually, if you could send me that link too. I believe they're the ones who are making our video series because they made that original original set that human wear used as well.

>>Donna: I can.

>>Joel: So I think that's probably the the first piece of that, which is which is the

>>Donna: And they do have wonderful resources. If you've never checked out SETBC, it's S-E-T. Bc. They have some great resources for technology period so Any questions as we've been chatting here about the Mountbatten Tutor?

>>Joel: Yeah, they do a great job.

>>Donna: And Joel, do you have anything more to…

>>Joel: You know, if anyone is listening who has who has used one, I'd love to know your your thoughts or your feedback. I know Donna is a champion but uh If anyone has positive or negative feedback about it. I'd love to hear it. It's it's The device is certainly for the students, but it's also for you as teachers. In a way, I think of you as just as much our customers as the students. So it's really important for me to know what you're thinking once you've had hands on the device so If you're not comfortable doing it here or after you borrow a device, get your feedback back to Donna and she'll certainly get it to me. You know, like I said, positive or negative, or if you do something unusual or different with us with it, let us know because we want to share those ideas.