TSBVI Coffee Hour: Introduction to the Chromebook 10-01-2020 Transcript start >> Kate: Hello everyone. As you are coming in and IÕll make this announcement a few times, but as youÕre coming in, in your chat box if you will make sure that the little drop down menu says all panelists and attendees so that as you request questions or make comments, everyone can see what you have to say. So in your chat box please make sure it says all panelists and attend DEES and weÕll get started in just a couple of minutes. Good morning, Linda. Good morning, Pam. Good morning everyone. Oh, hey, Michelle. Michelle and I used to be co-workers. Again, if you will, in your chat box, please make sure that little drop down menu says all panelists and attendees so that everyone can see your comments or your questions. If you have a question or need something, please go ahead and put that in the chat. We are not able to unmute your mic. All right. Okay. WeÕre going to go ahead and get started. We have a whole bunch of announcements as we usually do. Just one second. Let me find my notes. Just one more time if you have a question or comment during the time that Cecilia and Bruce are talking, please post that in the chat box. Make sure that it says all panelists and attendees in that little tiny drop down menu. Your microphones and cameras are automatically muted, so you donÕt need to worry about that. The handout for todayÕs session has been shared in chat and weÕll share it a few times for immediate viewing and then itÕs also available for later viewing along with a recording of this session and past Coffee Hour sessions through a link on our Coffee Hour page at TSBVI.E D U/Coffee Hour. WeÕll show that link as well. Once youÕre on the page you can scroll down on the list and where it says TSBVIÕs outreach Coffee Hour. And thatÕs where you can find the handouts and transcripts from all of To obtain CEUs you will obtain an evaluation that will be e-mailed to you. YouÕll enter the code I will give you at the end of the session. There is no opening code, just a closing code. Once you do that, the CEU certificate should automatically generate upon completion of that evaluation. Again, no opening code, just the closing code. WeÕll stop the presentation at 12:55 to give you the code and some closing announcements. IÕm really excited to introduce Cecilia Robinson who is part of our outreach here at TSBVI and Bruce McClanahan who is joining us from Washington State School For the Blind. So IÕm going to turn the time over to them. >> Cecilia: Good afternoon. Good morning. Good evening if youÕre elsewhere. IÕm Cecilia Robinson and as Kate says, I am the -- one of the outreach consultants here at Texas School For the Blind and visually impaired. And over the years I have taken on OOLTHS bit more in the area of technology, so this is what IÕm doing right now. And I am going to let Bruce introduce himself. >> Bruce: . Okay. IÕm Bruce McClanahan, Washington State School For the Blind and I support assist active technology outreach through the -- assistive technology. >> Cecilia: Bruce and I have have been talking about Chromebook and he is the expert, I am the late comer to this. However, even precompany individual, we have been talking about the Chromebook, how useful or not so useful for our students. But the reality that weÕre seeing out there is more and more students are required to use the Chromebook, Especially after the pandemic got started and everybody had to stay home, the students didnÕt always have a PC to help them to do the work. So here comes the Chromebook. So Bruce and I decided that weÕll do this session and see how yÕall like it and maybe later on if you want more we can think about doing more as well. >> Bruce: Okay. So do you want to jump in first, Cecilia? >> Cecilia: Sure. IÕll start by telling you that you have a handout and we are pretty much going to follow the topics on the handout, which is what it is, what it is not and so on, and then weÕll go into the built-in SAEBLT piece. ItÕs not going to be a full-blown how to do it, but itÕs enough information we hope to get you started thinking about the instruction of the Chromebook for your students. And then also I just want to let you know that as we were writing the notes, we wanted to keep it short and precise. However, we might say things during the presentation that is not in the notes. So you may want to have a pen or pencil ready in case youÕre one of those who likes to go back and read the notes. So we want to cover a little bit of what the Chromebook is, what it is not. The Chromebook is basically, physically it looks like a computer. When you open it, it looks like a regular computer. And then there are many Chromebooks out there and there are many brands of the computer that support the Chromebook. So it is basically a computer. However, itÕs slightly different. ItÕs not a PC and itÕs not a MAC. So therefore the most common question Bruce and I get is: Can you install zoom text or jaws or magic or something else, any screen reader on to the Chromebook? Well, at this point, probably not. However, the Chromebook has built in support for low-vision as well as for the kids who need a screen reader. The screen sizes and all those things, Bruce and I talked about it. What is the optimal size? And, Bruce, go ahead. >> Bruce: I would go with -- I run into this a lot. I would go with a 15.6 inch touch screen for a low-vision student. And the IT person always wants to be the one to decide which brand it is and that really helps with working with the IT. So let the IT person decide. And then you also want to get a -- make sure it has a 3.1 USB port in case you want to plug MAGNA link into it. You so a 15.6 inch touch screen for a low-vision student and the other spec is just a 3.1 USB port. Okay, Cecilia. >> Cecilia: Everyone whoÕs using a Chromebook or is going to use a Chromebook, make sure you have the latest updates on it. It will make things work easier on your Chromebook for your students. And then the apps and the extensions, you sometimes hear people talking about, oh, what apps are you using or what extensions are you using? The way to think about apps and extensions is this: Apps is more like a program. If youÕre familiar with an MVC or a PC, itÕs more like a program you run on your computer. The extension is more like something that enhances your user experience when youÕre working in the Chrome browser. Bruce, anything to add to that? >> Bruce: I think thatÕs it. I think many extensions are not accessible. Many things that you -- if you go -- I went through a list of apps and I found many, many extensions that are not accessible at all. But occasionally you find something that is accessible. Like I found brain pop and that was accessible, 1 out of 20. But occasionally for totally blind kids some of these extensions will be abbing September I believe. >> Cecilia: So I guess the point is before you install anything on to the studentÕs, the childÕs Chromebook, make sure you check on it to make sure that it is somewhat accessible or fully accessible because what is not accessible or useable for the student is not going to be good, itÕs basically useless if it is not useable for them. So following along the handout you have, we want to kind of chat a little bit about the importance of keyboarding. Keyboarding skills is awfully important because on a computer or using any type of assistive technology, we want to increase the childÕs efficiency to doing their work. So if they donÕt have keyboarding skills and the correct reaches, itÕs not going to help them. They will be spending more time on correcting themselves. And later on weÕre going to talk a little bit about using the keyboard commands. If they donÕt have the correct reaches, using a combination of keys to activate a command is going to be cumbersome. So keyboarding skills is necessary. And, Bruce, you want to tell them about -- >> Bruce: IÕll jump in. I have a recommendation of typing club for school districts. I want to be very clear on that. I think itÕs the one program which is totally accessible for physically handicapped, for deaf and hard of hearing, for students with dyslexia, for low vision and for blind kids. So for school districts, I think they should buy the one accessible program. For individual TVIÕs of course all the other keyboarding programs are valid, type ability, typeable, but school districts should way look at the typing club. Buy the one thatÕs accessible for the entire school district. >> Cecilia: And there might be other keyboarding tutorials out there you want to look at, but we have found that typing club is probably the most user friendly and accessible for your child. The newest one that is out there is the APH typer online, and you might want to look at typer online as well. >> Bruce: Some cautions on typing club. Works best on a Chromebook. If youÕre using something else, if youÕre on some other operating system, I would suggest not using it. >> Cecilia: All right. So we got that covered. Okay. If you look at the notes, there is a picture of a keyboard, a regular keyboard, and itÕs a picture of the Chromebook on my computer. So basically there are a few unique keys to the Chromebook and theyÕre kind of outlined in yellow on that picture. If you are using a Chromebook, you can also look at yours, the unique keys F 1 is the previous page, F 2, that little square thing is the fresh current page, and then F 3 is going to the full screen, F 4 is show all your open windows. There is also a search key that is to the left side of A and somewhere on your keyboard, IÕm not sure if theyÕre all in the same position, but there is a launcher key as well. So these are unique keys to the Chromebook and it makes things a little bit easier. So one of the main things that -- before I teach anything, I always let the kids touch and play and feel so they will become familiar with what the keyboard layout is. Those are the unique keys. >> Bruce: Something else you can do is you can plug a Windows USB keyboard into the Chromebook if you want something like that, and then you would just map the caps lock key to the search key. So you could plug a USB, if you want a large keyboard plug in for your Chromebook, you can do that. >> Cecilia: Great. Thank you for that. So now IÕm going to go ahead and start showing you where things are. For some of you who may already know this, please bear with me. We like to introduce the Chromebook the way we thought we would introduce to the students. So IÕm going to walk you through like we looked at the physical part of the Chromebook, now weÕre going to look at what do you need to know when you first open the Chromebook. So IÕm going to share my screen. Okay. IÕm kind of stuck right now. Let me try that again. >> Bruce: Should I try sharing mine and then -- >> Cecilia: Sure. Why donÕt you do that. So just share the desk top. >> Bruce: Okay. You should be seeing it. >> Cecilia: IÕm seeing the app. >> Bruce: IÕll try sharing it again. >> Cecilia: Okay. YÕall, it worked earlier, so IÕm pretty sure that -- >> Bruce: Do you see the app again or the whole screen? >> Cecilia: LetÕs see. I am seeing your meeting should start in a few seconds. >> Bruce: Shoot. >> Cecilia: Yeah, IÕm not sure why -- okay. IÕm seeing your G mail. >> Bruce: Well, youÕre seeing all kinds of things I donÕt want to show you. >> Cecilia: I know. Should I try again? Okay. Let me try to see if I can share my screen. Hang on, you guys. Sorry about that. Okay. Can you see my -- >> Bruce: Oh, good. Okay. >> Cecilia: Okay. Great. All right. So this is -- yÕall are seeing my desktop when I come in. Usually what I like to do is show the students what is going on on the screen. So a good way to start for the Chromebook is left to right. I always like to do left to right because it follows the same format as our communication, the written communication from left to right. So itÕs something that I do, but you donÕt have to do it. The little button here is the launcher. And then IÕll explain to the students that going across there are some apps, the icons that are open, and these are the things that are happening on your computer. And at that point I would just say these are the things that are active on your computer. And then going to the right side, there is a little microphone on mine because I put the microphone into accessibility and activated it, so this is the speaking button. So here I would explain to the student that anything you want your computer to do for you will be housed down here, and the reason is that it will make things a little bit easier for you. And then over here to the right side there is always the date. And then when you click open this, this brings you to the menu item. So when you -- we call that -- in the [audio distortion] world we call that system tray. I think people use different names with it. So let me just repeat one more time. On here if youÕre following on the notes, the home screen, there are always keyboard commands to launching the launcher, which is your Alt shift L. And then just a little comment about Alt shift and L. Just think about how your student would press those keys down, what fingers are they using? Is it accurate for them? Accurate reaches and so on. And then once you do that, maybe I should do that, Alt shift and L. Once I -- >> Bruce: Would you want to turn on Chromebooks and have speech going too? >> Cecilia: Not yet. >> Bruce: Not yet. Okay. >> Cecilia: When it is on, it will talk as well, the ChromeVox. So, anyway, what I want to say here is after you do that, then you can use the right arrow to go forward across or use the left arrows to go back. Okay? And then when you need something, you can always press enter to go into it and it will bring up the menu. So for every mouse direction that youÕre going to point to it, there is always a way to activate it with keyboard commands. Okay? And what Bruce said is when your ChromeVox is turned on, you can do that as well using speech support. So, anyway, I just want to show you very quickly how to go to the accessibility. At the very top there is that little gear and thereÕs your settings. Click on that and then at this point you can see at the top there is the search. You can always type in A for accessibility or if youÕre a mouse pointer person, for low-vision students, I always like to teach them how to do it what I call the long way which is going through advanced and then going to find the information, but at the same time if they know accessibility, they can type in A and it will pop up a list for them. So weÕll go through the long way. Under -- >> Kate: Cecilia this is Kate. We had a question come in. Is this accessible with switches for our students with multiple disabilities? >> Bruce: ItÕs coming. ItÕs coming. ItÕs not there yet. ItÕs been coming for a long time. Probably in about 2 or 3 months. The first version with switches is not accessible for totally blind kids, but if promises are worth anything, theyÕre telling me the second version is going to be accessible for totally blind kids. So theyÕre saying 2 or 3 months switch access. If you run it on a beta channel youÕll be able to see what the switches look like. So basically itÕs coming. >> Cecilia: So what Bruce is talking about is on mine here it says LINUX, beta and all that, there are different channels and you can talk to your IT people at your school district to let you have access to some of those channels. Continuing with advanced, then under advanced is accessibility. When you click on that, then this will show up on accessibility and then mine has always show accessibility options in the system, which is what you saw earlier so I can click on the options. What IÕm going to do is take you through the managing accessibility really quickly. Enable ChromeVox, IÕll let Bruce talk about it. WeÕll do enable select to speak. Yours is probably turned off but when you turn it on then there are some more things for you to work with. The open select to speak setting. So letÕs go ahead and open that really quickly. You can see select to speak, am I right? >> Bruce: Yeah. >> Cecilia: Okay. Great. So select to speak are the ways to select the voices, text to speech setting, if you click on that it will give you more options. And then highlighting. When you want the highlight to be on, if you turn it off there is nothing, when you want it on, there is the default color for mine is blue. However, if you click the down arrow, there are some more options for you. So itÕs a way to help your student be able to capture the information visually a little bit easier. There is also something called shade background content. ItÕs kind of like masking the information. So if you activate that, then what you will see is the rest of the information that is not going to be spoken will be shaded or masked out, and then your student will be able to highlight or see the select to speak information. So text to speech settings, let me go ahead and click on that. When you click on that, then here you will be able to adjust the speaking rate, the pitch, the volume is just a slider, you can do all those things. When you are done with playing around with all those things, you can always play something to preview it. And then down here the preferred voices, mine is grayed out, so I usually tell teachers donÕt be too adventure U.S. about this because it might be a little bit of a challenge to find out what you have done and the students may not know what to do with it. So, anyway, for this training we are not going to do that, but my advice is not to let the students play too much with changing the English or to more languages. However, the part that I always let students have a little bit control over is how they want the speech to be like. This is the part that they can play around and get their input. Like do you like it? Can you listen to it? If it is going to read you a paragraph as well. And see what they like and what they donÕt like. So under display is the high contrast mode. If I turn this on, then it will become this. There arenÕt a lot of options right now, but it gives you a nice display for students who need that darker display. In fact, I have aging eyes, so this display works for me at night as well when I need to read. The full-screen magnifier, when you click on it, depending on how you customize your full screen, you can do it two times. I think itÕs up to -- let me see. ItÕs up to 20 times or something like that. Anyway, you can play around with that as well. And again, this is where you want the students to have some control over what they want. The dot magnifier is very I want to say basic, but nothing is basic. So you can play around with your student on that and see how helpful it is. And let me see. >> Bruce: The appearance settings too. >> Cecilia: Yes, the appearance settings. The appearance one -- let me see. What I usually do is the font size. You can let them know that you can make it larger or you can make it very small according to what they like. I usually just keep it as medium. >> Bruce: So you change it to large. And then here with a slider you would adjust it and that seems to consistently work. If you go up a little bit youÕll see a customize font. You see the slider. From tiny to huge. It seems to work that way. >> Cecilia: And then also my standard is VERDANA, but if you click under it youÕll see other choices. And then the fonts and the fixed width, you can play around with it. ItÕs on screen what helps them to view the information a little easier. When I worked with the younger children I learned not to ask them what do you like because if I ask that, IÕm not being very clear. So I always say what is helping you to see the page and the information a little bit better? So that will be my baseline information later on when we use the screen a little bit more, then we can adjust as we need to. Page zoom minus 100 percent and you can see all the percentages. You can zoom up and down as well. And then let me see. Going back to the part that I was showing earlier, a little bit about the keyboard. Enable on-screen keyboard. Not a lot of our students use the on-screen keyboard. However, a lot of them like the enable dictation. If you donÕt do the dictation, then the little speaker down here disappears. If yours is enabled when you activate it then the little microphone appears down here. A lot of our students like to do that to help them take notes or write, so thatÕs something to be aware of it. And then open device settings. There are some keys that you can adjust. And here is view keyboard shortcuts and this one is kind of handy dandy. And if you want to know the keyboard shortcuts, how to do things, then go to the screen and you can find out everything you need to know about keyboard shortcuts, which is very good for our students to know. >> Bruce: And the key stroke to get into keyboards shortcuts, in most places, Chromebook isnÕt consistent, is control forward slash. >> Cecilia: Write that down. I donÕt know if we wrote it in your notes for you or not, but do that if you want to make a note of that. And let me see. The mouse cursor, you can adjust the cursor size if you want to make it bigger, smaller and all that, you can do that as well. Highlight the mouse. This is kind of cool and once this is on, it has this red circle following you, but it will disappear when you stop. So if it is something that helps your student visually to know where the mouse pointer is, this is a good option to have. This might all be what I want to talk about when -- >> Bruce: What she hasnÕt mentioned yet, in the next version, apparently itÕs not in this version, mouse colors are coming. YouÕre going to get 7 or 8 mouse colors. >> Cecilia: And then also the touchpad, IÕm going to let Bruce talk about it. Some of our kids -- actually, myself included, when I type on my computer keyboard, my hands get in the way and the touchpad is always making me do weird things. So IÕll let Bruce talk about that. So, anyway, I think I will let Bruce talk about ChromeVox now. >> Bruce: So not quite yet. The touchpad, IÕll reference my manual. ItÕs kind of techY with turning off the touchpad, but, Cecilia, if you can keep your screen up and go to a blank screen with just the icon and such, weÕll talk a little bit when you have that. So just nothing on your screen accept that. Okay. So Cecilia has the screen with the launcher, notifications, and she has the status tray. Unfortunately many public school screens do not look like this. In the public schools they put all kinds of stuff over it and it makes it harder for kids to use and they donÕt let people put Android apps on it, like, for example, the dolphin easy reader player, all that stuff. So many times in the public school these are inaccessible. So what I always do is I always talk to the ITs and I always ask them to make an organizational unit for visually impaired kids in the school district. So you can Google Chromebook organizational unit and thatÕs my work around for making it accessible. Many times looking at the screens you may have in front of you, especially if theyÕre district screens, they arenÕt going to look like this, theyÕre going to have all kinds of stuff over them that just is horrible. So thatÕs what I was going to throw out. People at home can just Google organizational unit or you can ask the district to change their entire system and IÕve never had success with that. So, okay. I wanted to say that -- >> Cecilia: Yeah, one more word about this is if you want to see what you have on your computer, you can always do the launcher and then come into here and youÕll see all the programs that is preloaded for you. Mine does not have a lot. But what Bruce is saying that a lot of times youÕll have a lot of stuff on yours, so you might want to make sure that the screen is somewhat clean and easy for the low-vision students to navigate and find their stuff. So IÕm going to stop sharing my screen and let Bruce share his screen. >> Bruce: Yeah, theyÕll literally put stuff on their screen and the only way to get there is with a mouse. So I was wondering before I jump in, maybe, Cecilia, show the first video? >> Cecilia: Yes. >> Bruce: How about the key stroke video and -- >> Cecilia: Oh, you want me to show it or -- there it is. >> FROM THE VIDEO: Chromebook keyboard navigation. Control T opens a new tab. Control tab moves forward through open tabs. Control L moves the user to the address bar. Control W closes the current open tab. ChromeVox plus A then W will read the title of the current tab. ChromeVox has just been turned on. IÕm going to do a control tab and cycle through my open tabs. (Recorded voice.) (See captions on video) >> FROM THE VIDEO: So IÕm cycling through open tabs with a control tab. IÕm cycling back through open tabs with a control shift tab. See captions on video) >> Bruce: Okay. So that was very quick, wasnÕt it? ThereÕs just no getting around it. Any operating system that youÕre using youÕre going to be using the screen reader keystrokes, youÕre going to do the application keystrokes, and youÕre going to do the operating system keystrokes. So IÕm going to start by sharing my screen and see how -- IÕve tried this in the past so IÕm going to start by sharing. IÕm going to share the entire desktop. And you should be able to see my screen. So IÕm going to turn it on. And IÕm waiting for ChromeVox to start. Patiently. Not very patiently. Let me see if I have something going that will -- oh, IÕm still -- one of the few things that is consistent among operating systems is the control, the shut up key, finals key, jaws, MAC, itÕs one of the few keys thatÕs consistent. So IÕm going to do control shift L. IÕm at my launcher. ThatÕs why itÕs so important to get these configured because you want as many of these as possible in the launcher. Then IÕm going to do the ChromeVox right arrow key. By the way, the ChromeVox is the search key. (Recorded voice) YouÕll notice I have dolphin easy reader in this. It works fairly well with ChromeVox. Now if I want to go to the status tray, IÕm going to do ALT shift F, take me to the status tray, and then the standard things of tab and shift tab are going to work or I can hit the escape key. If I want to go to notifications I can do ALT shift N. Or maybe not. LetÕs try ALT shift L. I guess not. LetÕs see. So if I locked, IÕm going to try control W. Cecilia, are you still there? >> Cecilia: Yeah, I am. (Recorded voice) >> Bruce: The shut up key, please. So IÕm going to try closing this and IÕm wondering why I wanted to do live demos. Okay. can you take over, Cecilia? Because I am not doing anything at all with my keystrokes. >> Cecilia: Okay. Let me share my screen. >> Bruce: Share your screen. >> Cecilia: Are you sure you want me to share my screen now? >> Bruce: I am like should not have tried a live DEM on. When am I going to learn? (Recorded voice) >> Bruce: I am not back at all. >> Cecilia: Okay. Let me see if I can -- >> Bruce: IÕll just close this out. >> Cecilia: Okay. >> Bruce: Are you back? I can stop the share. I think the safe thing, instead of trying another live demo is letÕs show the Google drive file. >> Cecilia: Okay. Let me get to where I need to be. Okay. This is where I am and IÕm going to -- I have a blank document. LetÕs see. I think it might be this one. Okay. Oh, this is the handout. Someone was asking where the resources is. If I make you dizzy, please close your eyes, going really fast. >> Bruce: Okay. So theyÕre asking about all the shortcuts and everything there. I have all that on the WSB website. My manual, ChromeVox manual is on the website. Also thereÕs a list of all the short keys on the website. I also want to reference the Wisconsin center for the blind who recently put up very excellent material on their site and I think Cecilia has a reference to them. >> Cecilia: If you are seeing my screen, this is their website, Wisconsin gave us permission to share this information with you. So if you want to -- >> Kate: Cecilia, all weÕre seeing is a black screen, weÕre not seeing your screen. >> Cecilia: Oh, okay. Hang on. H. ang on. (Technical difficulty) >> Bruce: I donÕt want to show this video. We already did this one. LetÕs go to the Google drive one which I think is somewhere in this list. >> Cecilia: You want me to show the desktop or the app? >> Bruce: I think the desktop. >>: Desktop would probably be safer. >> Cecilia: Okay. Desktop. All right. Okay. It says IÕm sharing the screen. Are you seeing anything? >> Bruce: It says meeting should start in a few minutes. >> Cecilia: Okay. All right. Can you see it now? >> Bruce: I can see your screen now. >> Cecilia: Okay. So you want me to turn on ChromeVox? >> Bruce: No, just a video because it seems to really be glitching when we run it with sharing. So I think just the Google drive video on the list on the WSFB website. >> Cecilia: Okay. Let me go back and find it. Hang on. You want me to go to the website, right? >> Bruce: Right there, yeah. And then go all the way down to the -- keep going down a bit further and where it says YouTube play list up a bit, right there. And letÕs pull the Google drive one, number 6. >> Cecilia: This one, right? >> Bruce: Uh-huh. I think thatÕs about what we should do for time. >> FROM THE VIDEO: Dualing drive. Why use Google drive. Press C for new and then down arrow to the desired option. Enter. Note that C creates a new message in G mail and a new event in calendar. Even faster. New document, shift T. New folder shift F. New presentation shift P. New spreadsheet shift S. Tip, navigate to the folder that you want to place a dualing DOK file in. (Captioning is on video) (Captioning is on video) >> Bruce: Oh, G mail. LetÕs not run it, but letÕs mention something in G mail. G mail is the only app where Google has the keystrokes turned off by default. So you need to go into settings, and weÕre not going to do it, IÕm just going to talk you through it, you need to go into settings and turn on the keystrokes. Good way to find out itÕs not working is hit 1 or 2 keystrokes, if nothing happens, your keystrokes arenÕt turned on. In terms of all the apps I kind of conceptualize Google as living in separate towers and they donÕt -- IÕd better stop there. In G mail, turn on the keystrokes. And in terms of learning all the keystrokes, IÕm sure everyone has the first letter of these keystrokes, itÕs G, and then itÕs some other letter after that. So youÕre hitting a 2-letter keystrokes, G or P and L or whatever. So I think, Cecilia, weÕre getting ready to start finishing up pretty soon. >> Cecilia: There is a comment saying that sometimes ChromeVox does not give us important information and we totally agree. Sometimes itÕs speaking but itÕs not really saying something or not being descriptive enough for the student to understand whatÕs going on. Now, as you can see in the videos, Bruce demonstrated a lot of the keyboard commands. So keyboarding skills are important. And then also in his presentation he also talks about some computer terms like tree view, expanded view, if your view is different from mine. So for a student who canÕt see the screen, what does it mean? And in the past, and, Bruce, please jump in to -- >> Bruce: This is the same way we talked about it in windows. I was talking about tree view in windows. Where I would start in Windows would be Microsoft word and windows explorer. Where I would start here is Google DOKs and Google drive. Many of them are the same, it would be nice if they all were, but -- >> Cecilia: I do the same too, making sure that they know what it is. And then for the younger students I also do a tactile of what I thought the computer looks like so they know that everything is at the bottom when we talk about the task bar or where the launcher key is and so on. And then for some of our students who need that real-life 3 dimensional experience, I will use their tabletop, desk top as a computer screen and then just line little objects at the edge of the table closest to their body to tell them that at the left side on your Chromebook is the launcher, hereÕs an object that represents the launcher and just lay it out So they know when theyÕre hearing the information, they have a tactile reference as to where ChromeVox might be announcing to them where things are. I donÕt know, some of the TVIÕs I work with, they donÕt feel this is important, but I always feel itÕs good for the child to be able to make a reference either visually or tactilely back to something they heard audit TORLly. So in my mind IÕm thinking that providing that tactile access it will help them stick the information a little better. Some people agree, some donÕt. Each student is different, so make sure you think about what might help your student the best to learn about the computer which has a lot of crazy abstract concepts. And then in your handout there is a little bit about the tips and the strategies. As Bruce mentioned, talk to your IT people about the organizational unit, otherwise you wonÕt be able to do a lot of things in your Chromebook. And also help -- Bruce and I talked about, like itÕs crazy, Chrome has so much keyboard commands. Can we help a student to understand whatÕs going on in terms of how the thinking behind the keystrokes is all about? Like in the PC world control home, control end, weÕll say control home is the top of the document, so where do you think the end of the document might be, the key stroke on the end of the document? So theyÕll say, oh, you silly, itÕs just control end. So help them make some sense out of what theyÕre dealing with. And then, of course, accurate keyboarding skills. And bookmarks, we didnÕt quite talk about that, but we were wondering also if you feel that you want more information on Chromebook, if you do you can write it in chat or send us an e-mail, Bruce and I will talk about it. >> Bruce: What we were thinking about is maybe doing a session just on Google DOKs, Google drive or picking two small parts of this and doing a lot on -- say, really know -- want to know how to browse well in Chromebook because thatÕs going to help you in the classroom. >> Cecilia: Also, once they get used to going into the docks or the drive environment, then they will know what to do. We feel those skills are important. However, we donÕt know if you would like some more of those type of training. So if you do, please write it in chat. >> Kate: ThereÕs a lot of yes, please. ThereÕs some yes to Google DOCs and others, so I think thereÕs a resounding yes. Big thanks to Bruce and Cecilia and thank you to our audience for being patient with some technical hiccups. Always tends to happens, works great before and something happens. We appreciate all of you being with us, we appreciate Cecilia and Bruce.