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TSBVI Tech Tea Time: Explanation and demo Hable One and Hable Easy
4/24/25

>>Freek van Welsenis: All right. Hello, everyone. Good afternoon. My name is Frank. Thank you for saying that correctly right now i was really… Pretty great. So I'm from the Netherlands and um among the founder and director of Habel. And today I will talk about the Habel one and the hayboEZ. And tell you a little bit about our story, how our products work, who they are for, et cetera, et cetera. If at any point it's unclear what I'm saying or if at any point you have any questions, just put them in the chat or interrupt me at any point. That's also fine. I'll try not to speak too fast because I normally speak too fast and I have a bit of a Dutch accent. So if it's unclear, just let me know. I really don't mind. That's completely fine. So what we'll be talking about today? First, I'll do a brief introduction of myself and of the company. And then I'll talk about first table one, our first product, a braille keyboard for the smartphone or tablet. And then I'll talk about the Hable Easy, which is a remote controller for the smartphone or tablet. And then I think there's some time for Q&A. But as I said, you can ask questions in the meantime as well. I only like that. I really don't mind it at all. All right. So first, for a bit of an introduction about who's speaking to you, because if I don't introduce myself and I'll be speaking to you for so much time, it feels a little bit weird. I'm Fraik. I'm the founder of Habel. I'm 28 years old and I'm right now located in the Netherlands. So right here, it's 10 o'clock in the evening. So it's a lot later in the day. So Havel is a startup. We're still a startup, I would say, based in the Netherlands. And we started this company around five years ago. And this really was a personal interest of us. My co-founder, his name is Ayushman, and Ayushman, his grandfather is blind or was blind. And whenever he would call back home or whenever he would want to call his grandparents. He notices that his grandfather would never pick up the phone. And that was simply the reason because he couldn't work with a normal smartphone. Now, Yishimon being an official design student He thought, why don't I try to make something that helps him use the phone? This is where the idea of Habel once was born. I ran into a Ushman and I right away thought it was really create idea to work on a project like this. I also have a bit of more of a social background so my younger Sister has a mental disorder. My younger brother has multiple disabilities. Both my parents work with people with disabilities. And I love technology. I've always also really liked technology and Habel is really where both worlds come together. And that's why I'm so passionate about what we do. So that's where Habel started, where the idea came from. From an idea, we realized that more people are actually interested in this and then we realized we had to become a company And we kind of accidentally became entrepreneurs and rolled into the whole thing that is now Hable. So 2020, we started the company 2022, end of the year, we launched the HBO one. So it's been on the market for a few years. And just a few months ago now we launched the Hable Easy officially So we now have two products in the market and later this year, there will be a third products coming on, but I can't Share anything about that yet. So a bit of a background about What we do we still have a small team. So we're a team with six people at the moment here located in the Netherlands. Yeah, that's about it. Let's talk about your plexus. That is why everyone is here, of course. All right. First, we'll talk about the Habel one. So I have the product right next to me. So I'm going to also hold it in my hand. And I'll first start by describing what the Haber one looks like, what it is. So I have the Hebrew one right now in my hands and it's in my other hand, I have the iPhone 15. So just for a size comparison around the same size. The A1 is a little bit smaller than the iPhone 15. So in terms of size, it fits right in your pocket. It's really tiny. And that's for a purpose because the Hebom is really made to be very mobile. So it's a really small controller keyboard for the phone. On one side, I have eight buttons. So the side with eight buttons right now is facing camera and facing away from me. And from my left to right, I have first a rectangular longer button, which is completely black then i have three round white buttons, these are brill dots one, two, and three. Then I have a little bit of space. Then again, three buttons, which are brill dots four, five, and six. And then I have my other function key on the right side, the rectangular button, which is button eight or the spacebar. And the one on the left plus seven are backspace. On the bottom of the device, I also have a USB-C charging port and on top. I have an on and off switch. Now, when I'm holding the one. It's right away the thing that's quite distinct. So where it's different than any other keyboard or braille keyboard that you would be used to. The able one is that I'm holding in the air. And so for those of you that cannot see how I'm holding it, I'll describe it. So imagine that you're holding a phone, but you're holding the phone not normally, but instead you're turning it 90 degrees. So the phone is in horizontal modes and imagine that the buttons that are the buttons on the table would be on your screen. Then the screen is actually facing away from you. So your hands wrap around the smaller sides. Of the device and you type towards yourself Now, why do we do this? So it's actually quite similar to brillback typing for those who are familiar with this. So why do we do this? Well, by holding the hayborn in the air and by typing towards yourself, this means you actually don't need a surface to put the device on. So you can really use it wherever you are in any situation, even while you're standing outside, you can still use the haybo there. So that is a bit about the form factor. There's a small Habel logo on the front. It's white buttons with a black black device we went for these colors because it looks a little bit like a game controller. It looks a little bit cool to have this device. I use it myself, especially when I'm in public transport. So I use it while I'm in the train. And people always ask me all the time if I'm playing video games on my phone, because that's what it looks like. So it really looks like you're gaming on your phone or on your tablet. So that's about the form factor of the Havel one. Now, how it works. The H1 connects to any smartphone or tablet via Bluetooth so if i get the hayborn out of the books. I turn it on with a slider on top. It gives me a vibration to let me know that it's turned on. I go to my Bluetooth settings in my phone and I just connect to Hable one once. Once I'm connected, I don't ever have to do that again. It'll remember the connection and you're connected forever. After I'm connected, the only thing I need to do is to make sure that on my, in case an iPhone voiceover is enabled or in case of an Android phone talkback is enabled. And I can use the device right away. So what can you do with the HIPAA one? Well, essentially, you can control your entire phone. So on one side, I have typing and for typing, we use the brill input. So for brill input, this is based on 6.brill. So we use the six dollars of brill. And again, I'm typing towards myself The typing part is a little bit different than what you would be used to with, for example, a real typewriter, but it's the exact same finger. So how I'm normally typing on my typewriter, I would say Throwing my hands 90 degrees and it would still be delta 1 under adult one. So for most people, you get this used to this in like an instant. And for others, it can take a little bit longer. For some people, it's even more, it feels more natural when the braille cell would be swapped. Right now for us both in one is on my top left but for some people say I would rather have this to be button three You can do this. So you can always swap the buttons around. This is a software switch. So you can swap to put them to rat. Now, for typing, how would I type? Well, it's based on Brill. So if I would type the A, I would just press button one. If I would type the B, I would press one and two at the same time to see one and four. Etc. If I want to type a spacebar, I press the button on the right, which is my space bar. My backspace is on the left. If I want to type a number, I first type the number sign and then after the number sign, my A becomes a one, my B becomes a 2, my C a 3. Etc. Same goes for capitals. So if I want to type a capital, I first type the capital sign and then I follow it by the letter that I want to capitalize. So that's how I type all my Haber one. The next part, of course, is navigating. So that means controlling your voiceover or Now, for this side, we try to make it as intuitive as possible. That was really the goal for us with the Habel one. We want to make it very simple To learn so um We don't necessarily think we're the fastest keyboards because if you type with 10 fingers, generally you would be a little bit faster. But for us, we are definitely very easy because it's limited set of buttons and the Combinations to use will be very intuitive. And I'll give some examples. So for example, if I would type the letter H, I would press button one, two, and five at the same time. However, if I would hold down persons one, two, and 5, so hold down the h If it comes to H for home. So it becomes a shortcut to go to the home screen. So if I hold down one, two, and five, I jump to the home screen. Similar to that, I can hold down the N for notification center. I can hold down the F to find so I can find anything on my screen. And you have a bunch of these commands that make it really like to make it really easy to remember How to go on the shortcuts on your phone. And the next part would be swiping forwards and backwards. And for this, we have a unique interaction So if I want to swipe forward with voiceover, so single finger swiping. I am actually holding down my backspace to the bottom of the left and I tap the button on the right. And every time I tap, I would scroll forward. Guys, I want to go backwards, I just mirror this action. So I would hold down the button on the right. And I would tap backwards. Now, this interaction, we call it, so swiping forwards and backwards, this is something that comes back everywhere in the phone. So for the rotor, I would hold down my button seven and I would tap five and six at the same time. And whenever I want to go the other way around, I would hold five and six and tap seven. If I want to move a character in a text field, I hold 7 and I tap 4. I want to go backwards. I hold four and I tap seven. Now, I don't expect any of you to remember these commands. But I also don't expect any of our users to remember these commands. Why? It's because this interaction is very simple to remember because everything is around button seven. And four, five, and six. And whenever I do something wrong. You can just mirror it. So let's say I'm in a text field. I think I have to correct my last words because I did something wrong. But I don't remember anymore how to move back a character. Well, you know, it's on the right side of the brill cell on button seven. So you think, okay, maybe it's button five and I tap at seven. Well, five and seven would be going backwards. So you're doing it wrong. But then, you know, I can just mirror my last action and jump forward again. And by this interaction, we've tested this with thousands of people. It's really super intuitive so When you have the table for, let's say a day, you can already type text edit, scroll forwards and backwards. This goes really fast in your learning. And that's exactly what we wanted to do with Habel, make it super intuitive to learn. Now, as I'm explaining this, I know it can feel a little bit counterintuitive or it can sound a little bit weird or hard to imagine. But when you have a device in your hand and you have it connected to your phone. It becomes really intuitive really quickly. The main point is that the A1 is really designed to be simple to use. That's like their goal that we've always had in mind while designing this. So just to summarize this point, what does well on one side, it types in Braille. So it allows typing in Braille on your smartphone. Iphone, Android, tablet, smartphone. And on the other side, it controls your voiceover and TalkBack. All right, so a typical user for the Habel one are people who are familiar with Brill, so they should be a real user, and this is one of our users that I have now, an image on the screen. And she uses the HIP1 Mainly when she's traveling. So she has to go to work by train every day. And while she's outside. She lives in the city of Amsterdam in the netherlands And in Amsterdam, you don't rather, or in many cases, you don't really want to have your phone out. And this is something that I know a lot more people have when you're outside and you're using your phone voiceover. It's quite scary if someone doesn't take your phone out of your hands, you would be really In a bad situation. So with the HEBO1, she actually just keeps her phone right in her pocket. She uses a Bluetooth earpiece and behavior one to control the entire fund. So even unlocking the device, then checking which train to go to or sending a quick message, you can do everything with your HABO1 and with your boot earpiece without taking the phone out. That's a good example of how someone would use this device in an outside situation. Some statistics about the H1 because we have those because we've been in the market longer. So right now we have around 4,000 people that use the Habel on every single day Something I'm super proud of is we have a 4.9 out of 5 star review across channels. So you can just check this. It's on our website, but also on Amazon. Across distributors. All the reviews are generally super positive And it's right now being used in more than 30 countries around the world. Right now we are adding Arabic brill. I'm learning it myself now because I have to develop it personally this time. I've done this with Japanese as well. I can type in Japanese, bro. I just don't know what I'm typing. Same now for Arabic, but we have a bunch of languages and we're slowly adding more countries. But we already have 4,000 people who use it every single day. And they're generally super, super happy about the device, which is very great for us. So a little bit back to the typical users, because I think this is an important point. So who uses the Habel one? Well, and I think specifically what's relevant for this group. So students use the Haber one a lot. For different reasons. So first of all, and a big reason actually is for learning brill and actually making brill a bit more exciting. So this is something that we see a lot where a lot of students they of course have to work with braille when they learn Braille, but brill can sometimes feel a bit more like a chore. With the H1, it feels a little bit more like gaming on your phone. Plus, it's a device that's always as expensive as, for example, a brill display or other brill device that can be very, very expensive. So the A1 is really designed to be used every single day for multiple hours outside and inside. You can throw it around. So it's a little bit more of an easygoing device that you can use while you're still using Brill and while you're typing or using your phone. So a lot of people actually have learned Braille via the Habel One. Of course, this is just typing, so it's just inputs, but it was a really great gateway for them to getting to build. Learning to type in Braille on the Hable 1, we are not a Braille user at all, especially for younger people is is A few hours. So that sounds really, really quick. And it is. And the reason for this is because When you're typing and you right away have audio feedback. You learn super fast. We also didn't notice this or think about this while we were developing the device, but we only learned this afterwards. You learn super quick to type in Braille with A1 because every time you type Any character, word, nutrition, you hear what you're typing. So if you're doing it wrong, you get the feedback right away. If you're doing it right. You get the feedback right away. So also within the Hable team, everyone has to know how to type in Broo in the Hable1. Your site and if you're not cited, if you know brilliant, yes or no, it doesn't matter. And generally it takes a few hours for people to get used to. To using this. So that's one of the reasons why people get it. Drill, of course, is being able to use your phone while you're on the go, while you're outside, inside, while your phone's saving your pockets. Is another big reason. And just typing fast from your phone. Right now, if you type on your phone, it can be super slow, frustrating, dictation. Is in many cases not so great when for privacy reasons, but also accuracy can be quite annoying. So when you just want to type fast and accurate, A1 can be a great, great solution. Also good to mention when the Heborn is probably not a good solution. So if you are a a person that already works with voice over talkback and you are able to work with the Brillback, so that is the brill typing on screen. If you're fast with this. Generally, I would say the Hayborn is not a good fit for you. It's just another device. So if you can already work super fast in your phone, you can type fast I wouldn't recommend getting a Hable. It's just another device and that's just, you don't need more devices if you don't need them. So that would be a situation where I definitely don't recommend. Situations where you're not fast with typing or you want to learn more brill or you're just frustrated using gestures on the phone, HAB1 might be a great solution. All right. I'll go now into the Hable Easy. Explain about the other device. If there's any questions afterwards also about He1, just let me know there. Onto the hill. So the Habel easy is something that we only added around earlier this year, officially launched on the market. And I'll explain a bit about the story about the Hable Easy and then about what the product is and how it works. So right now on the screen, I'm showing a few versions of prototypes of the Hable Easy we've had, and I'll share a bit about the story why we made the Hable Easy, because I think it matters a lot for how it's used and you will get the idea a lot better. So Hable Easy is not an idea from us, from Habel directly. It actually comes from one of the teachers in the Netherlands that we work with very closely. He works in an organization where they help people who lose their vision at a later stage in life. So she actually does daily living trainings, but also smartphone trainings. And she works with a team of mobility trainers. And she asked us, he told us, hey, I really like the Habel One. It's a great device. But for most of my clients, it's simply too complex. Working with Brill, working with multiple buttons at the same time. It's going to be a very difficult, difficult process and not possible for everyone. But on the other hand, most of my clients or most of our clients, they struggle with gestures. So even a double tap on the screen can sometimes take hours to learn and for some people, this is just a horrible experience and they don't want to or they cannot learn to work with the phone. Because of the gestures on the smartphone. So she asked us, is there another way to make a easier version of the HA1? Let's say a Hable Easy. Where you only have to tap one button at a time. So one button linked to one function. Well, that is what the Hable Easy is. So the Hable Easy is a way simpler version of the Hable where you don't type in Braille, you don't use any combinations of buttons, you use one button at a time. To control your phone. Now with just eight buttons, we realized after a lot of different prototypes testing a lot of different things you can actually operate a big, big part of your phone quite efficiently. And it's way easier than using gestures on your screen. So that is what the label easy is. And there's a few more things to it. On the screen, you'll see some prototypes where we work with different colors on the buttons with some tactile stickers. Where we work with different setups of how to set this version up. I've done a lot of testing together with organizations to get this right. So what is the hable? Well, the Hebel Easy is a simplified remote control for smartphones and tablets And it's specially designed for people who struggle with touchscreen gestures. The gestures of scrolling forwards, backwards going to the home screen, accessing Siri or accessing the router. Those gestures can all be very difficult And we try to make it simpler by physical buttons. So the Havel Easy is still the same hardware as the Habel one. So that's a really important point to mention. Hardware is exactly the same for both products. The difference is a software only device and what you get in the books. So right here next to me, I have a box for the Habel Easy. And the first thing you'll notice, which is different from the H1, is that when I open the box for Habel Easy, I don't know if you'll be able to hear this. But when I'm opening it It starts talking to you. So I don't know if you can hear that with my microphone, but when you open this box, the box starts speaking to you a little bit like those audio cards that you sometimes get on a birthday. That's what we have in the packaging. So you open the box, it's not speaking to you. It's my voice in this case. It will first say, hey. Don't be scared. I'm just a voice in the box. If you want to stop this voice, close the box again. But I'll explain you how this device works, how you can set it up, and what all the different functions are. So it's just there to guide you a bit more on how to use the device. Make it as easy as possible. The next part is that in the box, there are different stickers And these are high contrast tactile stickers that you can put on the different buttons. These stickers are there to make it a little bit easier to remember what each button does. For example, I have a sticker with an arrow or two stickers with arrows. The arrows are to scroll forwards or backwards. I have a sticker that has an image of a house so you can feel a bit like a house. So, you know, to go to the home screen. There's different stickers that will help you remember what each button does. Now, why are the stickers and are they not yet on the device? That's because you have different modes on the Habel Easy. When I'm holding the table easy, I can actually hold it like a remote controller. So I'm holding it with one hand. And I'm tapping the buttons with my thumb. So because I'm doing it with my thumb, I only need one hand and it's also I only need one button. So that's why I can do this. That's one way to set up your Hable Easy. Another way to set up your Hable Easy is to hold it similar to a Hable 1, but you only press one button at a time. Now, because you have different ways to set it up, we put them in the box as stickers so you can attach which button should do what. You can link it for yourself and to make it a little bit easier to remember. Or for some people, they don't need the buttons. They don't need to put them on the device at all. So the Havel Easy, you still use it fully to control your phone. So either, again, an Android phone or an iOS phone. That's still the goal of what you do with it, like a remote control. It still connects with Bluetooth. And this way you just use eight different functions to control your function. So what do these functions look like? On the table easy, the eight commands that you would use. Are basic amounts but with this set you can actually control most of your entire phone so what do we have? First, we have a button to swipe backwards and a button to swipe forward. So these are the single finger swipes. In the middle of those, I have the double tap button so the select button all the way at the bottom the back button the back button is whenever you're an app and you want to go one level back The row above this, I have the button for Siri or Google Assistant. So when you want to access Siri or Google Assistant, you press the button, you ask your question. In the middle, I have the magic tab and the magic tab is there to pick up a phone call, hang up a phone call. Play or pause music, play or pause an audiobook, et cetera, et cetera. And on the right, I have the dictate button. So if you want to type a message or say a message, you press this button, you type your message. So you say your message out loud, you press it again, and you're done dictating. All the way at the home screen or all the way at the top, I have the home button. So whenever you want to go out of an app, go back to the home screen and press the home button. These are the eight basic, basic functions that you can use on your Hable Easy to navigate around the phone. With these eight functions, you can do already do things like making phone calls, hanging up phone calls, listening to audiobooks or to any music, you can check the weather app, check what weather it's going to be today, read new sites, go to different articles. All of these you can already do with eight. However, we also realized that for some people it's helpful to have to a little bit more in terms of navigation that they can use. So you also have a few advanced controls. That's just for the, let's say the more power users of the Hable Easy. I have more commands to go to the next page on the screen, to go to the previous page. I have a backspace command. I have the rotor. So if you want to access the rotor, you can. And I can swipe up or swipe down as well. So these are in the more situations where you need to go One level further, for some Hable EC users, they would never use this others they would. You can actually access these commands as well. And there's even a set of new commands that we added last week. Which is whenever you long press or when you hold down the swipe forward, it jumps all the way to the end of the screen. Where you long press to swipe backwards, it jumps all the way to the start of the screen And when you long press the select button, it becomes a tap and hold command and the tap and hold is used to send voice messages. So in WhatsApp. To send a voice message in Messenger to send a voice message. You can also do that with the Hable Easy by holding down. And the command. So a bit of the technical information and this is for in this case for both products. So for both the hable one and behavior easy. The battery life is, it says here one month, but really it's actually two months. So it's two months of battery life if you use it for four hours every single day and you charge it back up in two hours so This is the number one support question we get from people. They ask us, hey, my hoble stopped working. What do I do? And we ask them, have you charged the device yet? And they said, I didn't know you have to charge this. And they've been using it for a few months. So you do have to charge it, but only once every two months. We recommend you charge it once a month and you will never run out of battery. We use Bluet Low Energy, so that's the Bluetooth that connects with any phone because we use Bluetooth energy, we can have such a long battery life. We worked with iOS, it worked with Android, it works with tablets and smartphones, both of them. Super light we don't 100 grams. When you order a Hable 1 in the box you get a USB-C charging cable. You also get a lanyard so you can add it to your wrist. In case of the Habel Easy, you also have tactile, high contrast stickers and a physical manual in the box with audio as well. If they have one, you don't have those in the books. And for updates, so there are updates to this device. For this, we have the Hable app. And the Habel app is on both the Android phone and iOS phone. You don't need this app. This app is just there to do software updates if you want to run a software update, if we add new functionality or if you need to make it compatible with a new phone, that's where we do it. The app is also a place where you can actually switch from Hable Easy software to Habel One software. And this is free. So everyone who has a Habel one or who has a Hable Easy get switched between the two. We thought about this and we said, well, if you have one of the devices and you want to switch, you shouldn't have to buy a whole new product. You should be able to just switch yourself. So we made it available. You can switch between the two. Modes via the Hable app. This is free. This will always remain free. Same for all the future updates. We don't charge for that. So Habel Easy users. What is a typical user for the Hable Easy? Easy is a little bit different than the Hable 1 because it's a bit more basic. The number one group that we see right now is seniors. So people who at a later stage in life, they lose their vision. And they really struggle with gestures on the screen. Some of the people in this group go to a more basic phone. Think of a blind shell or a mini vision, smart vision. The problem is that most of the people in this group often have a smartphone already. They get this from their children, from people around them, they already bought a smartphone And then it's a bit of a shame to have to go to a different phone. Whereas if you could just use your smartphone, you could access more apps. So for this group, table easy can be a great solution that they can still work with the smartphone they already have. Or if they want to work with specific apps that are on your smartphones, then this would be a great solution there. In several countries now, we really see as a big part of the training program. So they just start someone to teach them on the table easy and sometimes only afterwards they would teach them to do gestures by hands if they're able to. A second really big group is people with a motor impairment or any dexterity issues if you struggle With some hand movements, it can be super difficult to make gestures on the screen. They have easy with physical buttons can be a solution to make it a little easier. We have several people Well, you said easy with Parkinson's, even people without a visual impairment who can access buttons so they can control the screen that way. So generally, the users are people who are frustrated with smartphone gestures, who just struggle with using gestures. I have a testimonial slide. Here's an example for users. Maybe it's good to have one example. So one of the people who was a easy user for a while now, one of the first people we tested it. His name is Lubert. Again, I'm sorry about all these Dutch names. But he lives in the Netherlands. He actually had quite a terrible car accident around five years ago. And because of this, he lost his vision, but he also lost the dexterity in both his arms. And he's in a wheelchair. And he has a speech problem, so he cannot access or use his speech very well. Because of this, he never was able to use any technology, actually, in fact. But with the Hable Easy, we could mount this on top of his wheelchair And with his hand, he can still press the different buttons. And it's the first time since his car accident that he can actually use His phone again, he can actually get in calls with his parents who can understand who can understand his speech He can check social media. He does actually everything on the phone. It's really impressive. And it's the first time for him that he can do this with i think a One of the more wonderful stories where the product works really well and really enables someone to do a lot more than what they could do before. Yeah, how to get your table easy or how to get your Hable 1. In the United States, both products are available with a lot of the different distributors for the assistive technology distributors around the country. But they're also available on Amazon or on our own website on the Habel website as well. There's a lot of different partners where you can get them if you want to get to a specific partner, likely they will have it in this space. We work with, I think. 30 or 40 distributors in the United States for both the Habel and the Habel Easy. Now, I've been talking so much and I hope it's been relatively clear. But please, if anyone has any questions or needs your face, please let me know.

>>Donna: Thank you so much. Y'all get some questions into that chat or the Q&A and ask your questions. I know I am excited. I was immediately shopping Or when can I get mine? Because it is. Awesome. I'm excited. Participants, if we've got any questions, get them off into that chat. Oh, we got a Q&A. Yay. Okay. Says, can a person use So how easy to access the digital keyboard to type.

>>Freek van Welsenis: Yes. Yeah, you can indeed do this. So exactly for like smaller uh smaller sentences or smaller words you can just use the on-screen keyboard and you can access it fully through the Hable easy to type there. Yeah.

>>Donna: Awesome. And let's see, Lisa says I can't tell. I think, Lisa, you got a half ascend there. Melissa wants to know, what is the cost?

>>Freek van Welsenis: The costs for both devices are the same cost. And I think it's right now 207 US dollars to both my hats doing seven to ten Yeah.

>>Donna: That was about the range I saw. There was a couple of different vendors that were running a little bit of a special. And Linda's looking at the website right now and she says the price is reasonable and it is very reasonable for some of our technology.

>>Freek van Welsenis: Yeah.

>>Donna: And they're celebrating, Linda says, yes, it is 2.09. And we're celebrating about the price. That's a big thing for us. If you hadn't noticed, that's a big thing for us.

>>Freek van Welsenis: That's good. Yeah, yeah.

>>Donna: And Lisa says she's excited that the price is reasonable. So we may have new fans for you. Yeah. Hey. It's one of the things we want to do with it. So we have one more product coming the end of the year and we've said for all the products we have, they should be always either the same prices what we have right now or lower than what we're doing. That's the goal for Habel. So all our new products also will only be Because I feel like it's really just really is a missing thing in the market. We need a bit more affordable assistive tech so yeah

>>Donna: And Linda's looking forward to sharing it with her OTs which is Awesome. Get it out there with your tech teams. Let them know what this product is. Share this tea time video when it gets posted next week. Get them. The information out there because I can see us using this with A lot of our caseloads that maybe aren't visually impaired You know, and especially the easy. I had not seen the easy used yet so that excited about that one. Rosalba asked if there was any demonstration videos available online.

>>Freek van Welsenis: Yeah, so for the Habel one we have a YouTube series. I think it's almost 200 different videos where we go like app specific. So how to use the email app, how to use the messenger app, examples of banking apps. And with the Hable Easy, we are now making this whole set of different application videos.

>>Freek van Welsenis: There are videos, but they're audio driven so you can follow Either way.

>>Donna: Awesome. So Rosaba, check out the YouTube. We know YouTube is… our best friend most of the time.

>>Freek van Welsenis: Yeah, I also have a time when I learn new things

>>Donna: All right. Thank you so much. We're going to shift over to our upcoming events and you can keep getting the questions in there Sure, absolutely.

>>Freek van Welsenis: Can I do one more thing, don't know? I always have a final takeaway, something a little bit fun. One more thing that you can do with table easy. This is a bit more technical, but as you're all teachers, maybe this is something that would be useful. You can actually use the Habel easy without voiceover or TalkBack as well, specifically for people, for example, who use Zoom. So there's a lot of people who work with the Zoom commands as executed commands. But the gesture can be difficult. So you can even read the able easy control this so you can you can zoom in zoom out and you can move the zoom around the screen. And there's different of those use cases for people who can use the phone but just can never find the home button or can never go back to a specific app. You can actually put all of these under different buttons. So if you're interested in something like this, it's a bit more technical for making the documentation, but you can do this already. And I'm always happy to share that. So if you reach Anyone on the table, we can let you know how to do that just

>>Donna: And I have to agree with winston That is definitely cool. We have another question here. Lisa says she was working with a student who uses voiceover for his phone. He's trying to make an appointment and had to go through an automated phone system using his number pad. Would this be helpful for him to type for the task?

>>Freek van Welsenis: Yes, yes. So you can indeed do this. So you would in your phone call, you can go to the text box and then you type the number sign and then you just type the number In Brill, so you can brill out in the burner.

>>Donna: Which is definitely easier than any other way to navigate. It's… the commands are very, as you were saying them, they appear to be similar to some of the commands that our kids are already familiar with if they're using a braille display.

>>Freek van Welsenis: Yeah. Yeah.