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TSBVI Tech Tea Time: Hands-free Device Control with the MouthPad^ by Augmental
4/10/24

>>Gabi Mu–oz: We are Augmento, we are a company that produces assistive technology. We only have one product. And that product is the mouthpath. The essence of the company and what we're trying to do is to change the part of being of VCI. We… have always been hearing for a very long time uh about human hand computer interaction. We have been using the mouse for decades. Now, new technologies are coming to market, being more available to consumers and we are just providing one more alternative input method. That is not hand a hand computer interface. Our company has been co-founded by Korton Singer and Thomas Vega. They too have been involved in assistive technology projects for over a decade and they came with the idea of using the tongue as a powerful input method. As a powerful interface with computers due to the high redundancy of their muscles, making it very difficult to fatigue indefatigable, if you may. That has a level of dexterity similar to a finger. We're going to see that in a couple of slides. But pretty much, well, Koton Singer. Has a family member who has a spinal cord injury. Thomas Vega. He is Stuthers. And one of the products that we're going to be talking about is whisper Speech. And as you might know. Might or might not know, but people who start there do not stutter if they whisper. So it is in the interest of both of our co-founders to develop assistive technology in order to interact in different ways. And enhance our capabilities while not just talking to, not just interacting with computers also interacting with other people. That's how the idea of the mouthpat came. More specifically, I think that Tomas Vega, while he was at the Media Lab, the MIT, they were Working with different projects of different projects human computer interaction. One of them was this tongue interface. It was nothing like the mouth, but it was something like wired, like a lollipop that you would put in your mouth and a bunch of wires would come out of your mouth. But he saw the potential And this idea of using the tongue as a powerful input method again and uh to the point that he talked to Cordin and they thought about this invisible, if you may, look, I'm gonna… into the mouth, but in my mouth. So you can see how you can see how it doesn't affect my image Not much, my speech, not much. So it is a technology that is seamless. Somewhat invisible and it allows you to interact via Bluetooth to pretty much any any Bluetooth personal electronic device. So this is how the mouthpad comes to life. As you can see in the center, it's featuring a a trackpad. So in the same way that we're using nowadays a laptop computer, for example, we have a trackpad to use with our finger. So instead of our finger We're going to be using our tongue. Touching that central piece That is going to be located in our pilot. So I'm going to be holding one with my hand. The mouthpat is a custom fit Bluetooth mouse that holds from your upper jaw And then once it's in your upper jaw, you have access via this trackpad. To control the cursor of your device with your tongue. I'm going to make a, I'm going to show you a small introduction video that speaks about the first reaction of our first of our first testers and users and what they think about the mothpad. Hopefully you can still see my screen. There we go. Quadriplegia.

>>Donna: We can't hear it, Gabby.

>>Gabi Mu–oz: Oh. Sorry, can you repeat that again?

>>Donna: I'm not getting any sound.

>>Gabi Mu–oz: Oh, you're not getting an Islam? Okay. Let me double check on that. Oh, yeah.

>>TSBVI Outreach Media: You'll have to stop your share and then reshare and then click share sound and then I'll let people hear it.

>>Gabi Mu–oz: Oh, yeah? Okay. I'll stop my share. Thank you for that.

>>TSBVI Outreach Media: Yeah, there's a box

>>Gabi Mu–oz: Stop here. Thank you for that. I need to share again. Oh, you're right. Share sound. Thank you for that.

>>TSBVI Outreach Media: Yep.

>>Gabi Mu–oz: Hopefully. Let me know if you can hear it now I am living with quadrup.

>>Donna: Yes, sir. We

>>Gabi Mu–oz: You hear it now? Okay, great. Thank you, and sorry for that. I broke my neck in 2006, so it's been 17 years since I've been paralyzed. I jumped from the back of a pickup truck, unfortunately. Bat my neck backwards and here I am. I've already lost my front teeth from years of having pens and smashing my face off of a quad stick. When I was first injured, I was trying to learn how to use like voice control to like type and do all my papers and homework and it was so Frustrating. That was part of just dropping out of school. What is out there for people with quadriplegia to use in order to interface with their computers or their smart devices? And there's almost nothing. Nope. Sorry about that. I think I might have. Some connectivity issues. I'm motivated about augmenting human ability. I'm interested in using technology in In order to overcome all limitations. Ad Augmental, we've always considered the tongue to be this very expressive and capable part of our body. We've let into the 11th finger, if you will. The tongue has a unique ability to be very nimble. You can learn very quickly. It has Tremendous precision and dexterity that really you only really see in the finger. The mouthpath is an intraoral interface that lets you interact with computers without hands. It rests on the top of your mouth. So this essentially enables you to use your tongue in the same way you would use your finger to interact. I originally planned to do this interview in a building. I'm in my car. So probably connectivity is not the best. I'll make sure… of the game. Control your cursor, activate clicks, what have you to control your computer. Like, oh my goodness, this is how it should be. It's very seamless. It's very easy to use. It's very intuitive. Click on your phone and call someone would be like a game changer. I really want to get back into just being For lack of a better word, a human again. We believe not only can we assist with humans, but we can really change the way that we evolve with our technology. Not this question of, oh, I'm losing my humanity, but rather that I'm enhancing it. Getting my right arm back. I think that we have a potential to make a difference in people's lives. We're making an interface that can be used Like anybody. You lacking a rookie? It would be good not having a pen in my mouth. I'm a sex enthusiast, so I'm happy to be in a space and I'm happy to be of service and extremely excited that we could collaborate and work together. So I was really interested in how Augmental was going to use this mouth pad To connect with my vibrator. This new device. Everything is ramped up. So being able to communicate while I am walking. While I'm doing… Almost there. That was almost like quite the end of the clip. Hopefully you get a grasp of it. Okay. I'll continue with the presentation and share the links in case anyone's interested and see how it ends. But pretty much what you can see is a different interest or different ways for people to be Using the device. Sorry. Okay. So using the computer, using for gaming, we're going to see like in a couple of slides for wheelchair drive So different ways of interacting with different types of computers. So here's a slide about talking about the potential of the mouse. Why did we choose the mouse? So what we're doing with the mouthfat is to combine Not just the tongue, but also tongue and breath and jaw gesture, like we're using pressure in order to detect clicks. So we're using the sip gesture in order to detect Right clicks. And then another reason why the tongue was interesting for us to be an input method is the disproportionate number of neurons As you can read here, um. In the sensory motor cortices. So pretty much the way you can compare your tongue in terms of sensitivity and motor dexterity. It's only comparable to our finger if we compare it to other parts of our body. So given that innate ability that we have those who are verbal. And the level of the degree of dexterity that one can achieve using the tongue. We developed this technology in order to leverage that. And that's like a little bit, well, not a little bit, but quite universal. There's some people who might have maybe some spastic movements or conditions or situations in which the tongue will not be so available or not so dexterous but mostly For a lot of people, for a vast majority of people. The tongue remains like quite dexterous. So highlights of the mouthpad is that as you can see right now, if you're watching in my face, seeing my face, is that it's, as I said, invisible. It combines tongue sip and head gesture so it can be turned into a head mouse. And it can connect to any different device. So, sorry. Okay, here we have a a demo of how to connect to a phone. Hello and welcome to another mouthpad demo. I'm going to use my mouthpad to get directions with Google Maps. Corbyn here. It's going to show us how. Hey Siri, turn on Bluetooth. There you go. It's going to show us how he uses his phone. Using the mouse pad. So you just connected via Siri. He just paired the device bluetooth Now, through tongue gestures only. He is moving the cursor And clicking by tapping. That traffic that we saw before. So we still believe that for typing, dictation if you have the ability of speaking, does a very good job. It's faster. But for some situations in which you want to be private. Let's say typing passwords or other situation in which there might be uh sound or noise around you You can also use the top. Thanks for watching. So the highlights, as I was listing before, is that it is very expressive due to the natural dexterity of the tongue. So it's also cross-platform compatible, meaning that you'll be going to be able to connect to a Mac. Windows, Linux, it doesn't matter. It'll just plug and play. As far as it has a mouse input Bluetooth protocol. You're going to be able to pair it and just make it work with no software setup. As you can see, it's quite invisible. It has the potential of getting rid of peripherals. So people can focus on the pace, what they talk about, they'll talk with you. And it's custom made. So for every purchase, for every customer. The process that we follow is that once somebody buys the mouthpat. We'll look for a dentist. Nearby the shipping address. Will coordinate a visit and we'll get their intraoral 3D scan from their upper jaw. Palate, teeth and gums. And that will allow us to make a unique device that's going to be custom fit for the individual who's going to use it. That gives a snuggly design or a snuggly or comfortable design For our users to be using the device for long periods of time. We have a customer who have been using the mouse pad up to 17 hours. Okay, I said have been. He did use it. That's his record. He's not using it 17 hours a day is a mouse pad every day. But he's a business owner. He has a company of cybersecurity. So he's spending quite a large a man of ours during the day using the using the computer before he was using a mouse stick. Or a mouth wand. And since he discovered the mouth bud like he's a very heavy user of our technology and he hasn't reported any discomfort or any fatigue. I have to update this light, but we have close to 4,500 people registered to a wait list. Expressing what I want to convey with this is like we have created create brand awareness and and we have received great interest from not just people with disabilities, but also people who are curious and finding new ways of interacting with computers. Said this, I'm also going to emphasize that since we're we're still limited in our production capabilities. We cannot produce 4,000 devices. What we are doing is prioritizing the mouthpat to people with disabilities. And especially if that disability is ALS. I'll get into more details. Regarding that at the end of the presentation. But I want to convey the message that we're prioritizing people with disabilities. We're not selling mouthpads to people who don't have disabilities as of today, unless they're clinicians Who won a mouth bath to perform demos. And help other people with disabilities or people with disabilities understanding what is the mouth blood like and how it feels. Um. We have a bunch of stories. I want to show you how Josh Basil, who has a spinal cord injury, a high level spinal cord injury, is using the mouthfed for an alternative use. He's using it to control this robot. To play races with his son. I get it. So again. Of interacting outside of a traditional computer And using the math path for that. We have the case of, I want to show you the case of Keeley as well. Hopefully the connection will allow me. If not. Get that one, too. I will explain it. I'm going to summarize briefly what you're about to see, but pretty much Keeley had a spinal cord disease and he has… She lives with scotoplegia. And she has no motor function or very little motor function in her face or neck. So she's not using, like the mouthpath can be used as a head mouse. She's not using that. She's using only… the tongue to control the mouse and well here she's combining her drive system with the chin But let's see the full video If this allows, hopefully yes. My interactions with technology were pretty scarce because anything to do with the computer for the internet. I had to have another person. Help me, but now I can do things on the computer whenever I want. Not having to rely on others, it really has become a game changer. Independence is really big to me. Good morning. Thank you. My name's Killi Worsh. I'm 19th and I live in Kaysville, Maryland. Got some yogurt. We have raspberries, blueberries. Okay, I'll take one. Growing up. I love playing soccer. Baking, swimming. Definitely big into sports. Keely was a boil of energy. She had a mind of her own, was always very independent, and I assumed she was going to probably be president of the United States at some point. Keely enjoyed memorizing the pi digits. Keely was also very competitive as far as sports and enjoyed school a lot. When I was 12, I got sick. She called me and said, I have the worst headache of my life. As soon as we got into the doctor's office. The doctor said, I'm going to have to call an ambulance and you're going to have to go to the hospital. So an ambulance came. We went to the hospital. She had a stroke. A doctor came in and said she probably would never be able to walk or move again for the rest of her life and she would need 24 hour care. It was hard. Relearning how to… Breathe and then Also, I had to relearn how to eat. Keely is a quadriplegic and because of that she has no ability to move her hands, her arms, anything. So for her to be able to do work With the computer is a lot more difficult with a lot more challenges. I think that I didn't really… think of accessing technology as something that I wanted or needed just because All my interactions with technology were frustrating and not a pleasant experience like learning to Around just by… My chin. I asked a friend. He let me know that there was a company testing out a product for people to use their mouth to control computer, and he put me in touch with the people from Augmental. Welcome. Are you doing, Shakespeare? You too. Hello, Tracy. How are you doing? See ya. Hi, guys. How's we going? Pretty good. Yeah? Is it working well for you? Yeah, I've been using it a lot. I met Kelly one year ago. And she's been using her device since. It's been a pleasure working with her. When I was five years old, I started stuttering. So I became obsessed with the concept of human documentation of using technology to overcome our limitations. Human-computer interaction really has been focused on the hand and that's just more inclusive. So I went back to MIT. Where I was doing grad school with the goal of making an interface everybody can use. Our tongue is, I would claim, as expressive as a finger. And it's composed of muscles that don't really fatigue as much as other areas of the body. So I thought, why don't we control a computer with our So I called Corten, who I met at Berkeley. I told him, hey man, I think that this is the right interface. The mouthpat is a trackpad. For your tongue. It's a mouse in your mouth. The user uses their tongue. On the trackpad, on the pallet, to move it around and control the cursor. The user clicks by pressing on the pallet, right clicks by sucking or sipping like you can also do click and drag The mouthpatite connects to laptops, phones, computers, tablets. Like any Bluetooth input system. Like a mouse. Would love to see what kind of projects you're looking into now. Yeah. Can you show me how you… copy a variable? Cool. As easy as that. University of Maryland, Baltimore County. And I'm studying math in computer engineering. My favorite thing is probably meeting others that want to do engineering. I can bounce ideas off of them and make friends in a new way. Before college, I really would just do the assignments that were necessary. Out of college, there's a lot more work and so Being able to get all that done. It's only possible with the mouthpad. It allows me the opportunity to engage with the content during the… collectors, I'm able to take notes, but then also In class. This allows her to grow. It's allowing her to become more independent and become stronger. Her determination and her grit has gotten her through a lot. And because of that, she is one super duper powerful female right now. So the world should watch out. I'm excited about the future because of The independence I have now from the mouthpie. Being able to stay up late to do the work or play games gives me a sense of normalcy. It's given me the motivation to want to take control. Of my life. There's the ability to live. Independently. It's given me independently given me A spark. Well, the story of Keely, Keely was one of our uh beta testers. He's in the history of augmento the first person was offered to buy a mouth pad we just did that In case you want to like to become like the first customer probably is the first and last mouthpat that she's going to ever pee. She's… It's probably going to have mouth butts. For the rest of her life because she has helped us Define the mouthpad in many ways. And we have learned a lot from her experience. But yeah, like stories like key lease are what move our company. And we based everything that we did on research. When we were exploring the mouth as an interface well before exploring the mouth as an interface We also considered, hey. What is out there besides computer interaction, right? Like computer interaction is going to change lives. We can do also via tracking signals And besides that being a bigger market, like getting into sports, tracking temperature, which we can. Tracking heart rate. Which we can, we decided to engage in computer interactions because of stories like like Killis, because we talked to 100 people who had paralysis pain or fatigue using their Apple links. Upper limbs. And we talked to 100 clinicians who were telling us like. How big of an impact our technology could be. In terms of interacting with computers. So we decided to go into this market first. Based on the impact that we've we saw that we could provide. I have a table here. I'm not going to go into every single field, but we're comparing here the mouthpad to other technologies like eye trackers, lip joysticks, sip and buff systems or BCI and pretty much we believe that the mouth that excels at being Expressive because of the natural dexterity of the tongue that we've been mentioning several times now. It's inobtrusive. It doesn't… require any implant. It doesn't get in the way of how you look It's portable. You can use literally continuously the mouse button in a transfer from a wheelchair to the bed and um the other way around. It's private. Nobody needs to know that you're using it. It's not visually giving you up or away showing that you're using it. It is a to learn. Our customers take from 15 to 45 minutes to learn head tracking. I guess similar to other head trackers. And it might take one to two days to learn tongue tracking, the basic of tongue tracking. When I say tongue tracking, it's just using the tongue, not using the head. The way Keeley is using her mouse pad, for example. And of course, it doesn't require any surgery. I'm going to give you a sneak peek off the products that we're developing. Besides computer interaction that i think uh or BCI that I think they're very very interesting Well, for sure, like we're doing the… the computer access within the mouthpad, we're designing this radio menu This is a little bit like the accessibility Button of Apple or many other toggle bars you might find. But we want to add that In our experience in order to have like quick access to maybe some functions They're not so traditionally associated with the mouse, like left click and right click, but also some commands from your keyboard. Just to make life easier through your mouth. And then we have wheelchair control. Here I'm going to show a video of Corbyn oh sorry Oh, okay. Well, I have this video offline, so I can show you that in a minute. But pretty much we are developing a system that will allow the mouthpat to control a wheelchair. And then last but not least, silent communication. We observed that a lot of our customers, not a lot. Some customers that we have, they have reduced lung capacity So they will speak in very low volume. So we are now beginning to prototype a mouse bed that has a microphone. So you can easily get audio input and transmitted and have audio output through different technologies. And then eventually the idea is using the sensors that we have to track your jaw and tongue behavior in order for us to be able to communicate like this And I'm going to need you to see what I'm doing right now because I'm not going to produce any noise. So moving your tongue, moving your jaw, and using our sensors to predict that movement and turn it into text or into voice output. But that's the long term. That's the vision. That's our next product. Now we're focused on computer access and in the mouthpad. The mouthpat right now, as I said before, we have like a long wait list, but we're prioritizing people with disabilities so we're only offering a purchase link to people who are eligible. For using a mouthpat. What we consider is eligibility, which pretty much is having disabilities that affect your upper limbs or your interaction with computers. The method costs $1,500. And we are selling… devices to clinicians for $500. We're selling that at a loss. But just because we believe in the power of a live demonstration Like the one that you're seeing, but in person for clinicians to show the mouse pad to their potential customers. And that's a… That's pretty much it. I want to take a minute to show you live or five minutes before we go into a Q&A session. I'm going to connect my mouthpad and I'm going to operate it So you can see life. Or online, but live, how it works. For that, I'm going to be using Oh, I'm not sure if you're going to see. I'm going to stop sharing this screen. I'm going to share the whole screen because I think that now You're only seeing the window, but I want you to see absolutely everything hopefully This will do the trick. Okay, hopefully you see absolutely everything, including like my bluetooth setting and everything. So I'm going to be using I'm going to be using voice control in order to access My Bluetooth panel So I'm going to ask voice control to wake up. Wake up. Wake up. Voice control wake up. I'm dying right now. Thankfully, this is not a product. This is Apple voice control I'm going to try it one more time. Wake up. Okay, I'm going to…

>>Donna: Gabby, you've kind of joined us in the realm that we're in, which is voice control not working for us.

>>Gabi Mu–oz: Yes, yes. This is the first time that this happens. Sometimes it fails while I'm trying to dictate, but not to wake up. So for me, it's the first time, but yeah, I understand that this happens. Hopefully when we have the silent speech or Or the whisper speech. We'll go over this. I'm going to click the wake up see If now it's listening to me. Show numbers. Show numbers? Oh, my God. Okay. It's not working. What I wanted to do is to use the show numbers function to access my Bluetooth settings. Since this is not really a mouse pad feature. I'm just going to skip it. But this is the reality that a lot of our customers will find, hopefully. They will have… They'll have caregivers that will be able to assist in this part, but if not, once you connect the mouthpath Hopefully you can bypass that. Sort of issue. I'll show you how Okay, so once it's connected. As you can see, I'm using the mouse pad right now. With my tongue, we just connected via Bluetooth. I didn't set anything up. I didn't need any additional software. Let me close this. Okay. And then before I… do a couple of tasks. What I'm going to do is I'm going to open an application that despite we don't need it. In order to have the mouth. Functional. It's going to show us live feedback of what's happening inside of my mouth. So you can better understand what am I doing with my tongue? For my cushion to move. Great. So digital application and now What you see in the center of the screen is this trackpad. This trackpad, what you see is the trackpad that is in my mouth. Every time that my my tongue touches my trackpad, it will light up in yellow So you can see what area in my mouth, in my trackpad am I touching. So if I put my tongue on the left part of my trackpad, for example. You see how the left part of my tripod lights up in yellow and the cursor goes left? Same for right. Down up or any diagonal. Now, I'm going to be tapping my tongue. Bringing my tongue to the to the trackpad and just tap it for a left click. You see how the whole chapter lights up in yellow? Those look good. And then if I want to do a right click I'm going to do a sip. And the combination of left click right click, tap with your tongue, sip. Allow me to copy paste and whatever function I choose to do. Another feature that we have is the click and drag. We'll click and drag. What I'm going to do is I'm going to bring my tongue up to my palette. And then I'm going to produce a click. I'm going to push for a click. And then I'm going to keep contact and just move my tongue to the edge of the trackpad so I can drag the object into whatever direction I choose, actually. In this case, I'm going to move these to my left. You're going to see how the whole tripod lays up in yellow And then the yellow part, my tongue. Will be moving to the left. Without losing complete contact. Okay, there's a click and drag. I move this to the left. I'm going to move it to the right now. Leave it there. Great. So these are the features that we describe as tongue tracking features or gestures. Then for those customers who can move their head. We can come here. Settings? And then turn head cursor control or head mouse And now what we've done is I turned my mouthpad into a head mouse. Let me close this. So now I'm turning my head left and right, microservice following If I tap with my tongue. By the time my palate If I tap the trackpad, I will left click. So I will keep that functionality and I will keep the SIP as a right click. For example, now it's very easy for me to click and drag. Let's get here. Yes, I said with the keyboard. I can type letter by letter or by letter I could just use dictation I'm afraid if I use it, they should now it's going to fail me. So let's try it one more time. Just for the sake of combining voice control. And the mouthfat. Tell Corten to close the door when he leaves the meeting room. Yeah, it's not working properly. I'm going to have to restart it. But… You could try that. See what happens. But you get the idea. Telcord them. Oh, it's working now. Great. This is also a classic. They will listen things that you actually don't want to type. So… This is how easy we could come. I can triple click here. So like the whole sentence Start over again. Tell Core 10 to close the door when he leaves the meeting room. Great. You know the typical mistake when you write a very long sentence and then there is a word in the middle That is not what you meant. And this is how easy you can just go and double click it and change it. Gordon is the name of our co-founder. As you saw in our third slide, I think. And it never picks it right. But this is how easy you can just go and change it. As an example of how dexterous. The tongue is or the head tracking with the tongue is. I'm going to go to the thinnest letter that I can find, like the L. I'm going to just change it. Okay, instead of sales, we have seats. So this is just an example of how how much you can fine tune your experience and just do whatever I would actually do with my hand. One more feature. That we have, and this is pretty important, is pausing. The interaction. Like if somebody, for example, comes to my room or my office and I want to talk to them. Hey, my tongue is going to be touching my trackpad. So there is a possibility that I might be like closing windows, erasing stuff. Or doing actives that I don't want to do. So for me to stop the interaction. Hands-free, I'm going to do a long sip. Quiet. There we go. There's a long sip and now I pause interactions. You can see my trackpad is still picking up the signal. My tongue is touching the trackpad, it's lighting up in yellow, but the curse is going nowhere. Just do nothing. It's just asleep until I finished my conversation, maybe somebody… called me on the phone and I want to pick up that phone call or maybe I want to drink water. It's also a good moment to drink water or just pause interaction while I do that. One more feature that makes the mouse pad very different from other head trackers. And this is one of my favorite is recentering. If you're familiar with head trackers, in order to recenter The position of your cursor relative to your face or your head, you have to go to the opposite Side of the screen and just go past it. Let me give an example. Recover, control my math pad. So, you know. For me to go to the left or recenter to the left, I should go to that edge of the screen, go past it. And now I have a new center so i have a new center Go to the left side of the screen. Now that's how traditional head trackers work. I hope you're familiar with that. In our case, let's imagine that I'm Not center, right? Something like that. Now I'm pointing to my car window to the right. But my cursor is in the center of the screen. So the feature that we have to recenter for me not to keep moving my neck and doing this strenuous movement to my neck and possibly hurting myself, getting tired What I'm going to do is I'm going to put my tongue here. And that will freeze the interaction. I'm not going to click Remember, I'm not using tongue tracking now. I'm not using the trackpad to move the cursor. I'm using head tracking. So that allows this trackpad could be useful for something else. So besides clicking. If instead of clicking i just touch it Our freeze interaction and that will allow me to recenter My face to the right position of my cursor. Check out my tripod goes lights up in yellow Irish enter and now I lift my tongue. And I continue my interaction. I don't know if you see that. But anyway, that's one of my favorite features because I do personally work with more than one monitor. And that means there's a long distance from one monitor to the other. And I oftentimes use this in order to get around like large screens or large distances. Anyway, I could be talking for hours. There is eight minutes left. So I'm going to pause the interaction and allow for a for a session of questions and answers.

>>Donna: If anybody has any questions, drop them in the chat or the Q&A and we will address them right away. So we'll give them a moment to type.

>>Gabi Mu–oz: Okay. I lost visual limit. I don't know if I have visual of the chat. Yeah, cool. Okay.

>>Donna: And if you… As we're wrapping up here, we only have a few more minutes left. Here we go. Wrote. Rosalba is wondering… If younger children can use the mouse pad.

>>Gabi Mu–oz: Wow, that is an incredible good question. Since like in the last… In the last weeks, we've been debating this. Before, we used to say no. We used to… Oh, my God, wait. Sorry, I was typing everything I was saying. Let me… Let me delete that. Sorry about that. I forgot to put the slip. Okay, deleted. So… Sorry, kids mouths are growing, so I'm guessing you're asking that because uh It's mouth will still develop further. So before we used to say that we don't surf mouthpads To kids or to people under 18 years old. Which is the age in which most of adults already have a fully developed mouth. According to the dentist consultant we talked to. But You know, like recently i got this comment from a nonprofit. We're saying like, hey. We do have a budget. To buy one mouse pad every year for three of our kids So if you allow us, we will buy them one every year, we can just redo them. We're not retainers, so we will not retain teeth. The mouth will outgrow the mouse pad. Therefore, we don't want to sell a piece of equipment that will get outdated that quick. But we can provide a mouthful on a yearly basis if you have the budget, but it's $1,500. So I think there's a lot of money. So unless you have a grant or a source of income to pay for that. Then we suggest waiting until 18 years old not just if you're… under 18 years old, but also if you're considering teeth alignment treatments or anything that might like dental work, anything that might alter the shape of your mouth once you You mold it, sorry, once we make the scan.