TRANSCRIPT - Tech Tea Time: Travel Tech

Alright everybody, we're gonna get started. My name. My name is Donna Clemens and I am your co-host today for tech T time. We have been blessed with a wonderful speaker today, Andrew Bernett is going to talk to us about O and M. And travel tech. We're so excited to have him with us. There with my music. And if we remember that our goal for Tech T time is to build a community of practice for technology that allows us to support each other. When we are teaching technology. And the spirit of that goal, we are an interactive session. We encourage you to ask questions. If you don't want to talk out loud, put it in the chat. We will read it for you. Please say your name when you do unmute and ask a question. This session is being recorded as you saw in that left popup and by registering you give us permission to publish or post. The recording with your likeness, which includes audio and image. Again, let's feel free to speak up. Ask any questions. Say your name if you on mute and ask a question please. So that we know who's talking and if you have a question but don't want to speak. Please put it in the chat. I am going to stop my share and turn over. Tea time to Mr. Andrew Burnett. Thank you, Donna. How y'all do it today? I hope it's, awesome. So O and M and travel tech. Couple things I was going to share with y'all today. I guess before doing that, let y'all know a little bit about who I am. My name is Andrew Burnett. I'm a Cs. I work at the Chris Coal Rehab Center here in Austin and I mainly work with with adults over at Chris Cole. I do have experience working with younger kids prior to coming to Chris. I used to. Work around the DFW area. But, definitely a big fan of, using technology and travel, whether it be low tech or high tech. Definitely use all my O and M skills pretty. Pretty substantially, but I also really like to leverage a technology into it. A lot of times I'll get students who think that just because they have a GPS system on their phone that they're not going to need some of the basic skills and a large part of what I do with my students at Chris Cole is I'll go ahead and actually. Really kind of show them how using those core O and M skills. Really It can really help augment the use of technology when they're traveling. Perfect example is just the other day. I was using good maps outdoors with one of my students. And they they pulled up the app. And it was telling them that they were heading north and I knew they were heading south, but I was able to get them to realize that the app was giving them wrong information. By using their sun clues. But different things like that making use of the information that the technology is providing and really being able to understand what that that knowledge is is something I really like to hammer home with my students. I'm gonna start off here with some of the lower tech stuff kind of going external, then kind of moving more towards high tech and going into apps on my phone. One of the things I actually carry with me quite a bit, it's I apologize my right well Dexcon is going off I'm a diabetic as well let me dismiss that real quick. Andrew, this is Donna. You long does let us know that your sound when you're talking is a little bit soft. Otherwise it'll keep, buzzing on us. Okay, so, yeah, You. We got Jaws? Good to go. There we go. Alright. Yup. There you go, you're a little bit louder now. Yeah, there was help me change the mic volume there. Okay. So since my volume wasn't all that high. Is there anything that wasn't, wasn't as clear when I was speaking. I have no problem. Repeating that real quick. No, I think we were good. It was just a little bit on the low side. Gotcha. Okay. So yeah, one of the couple of low tech things that I carry around with me have to do more with a kind I like to kind of refer to it as like Kane first aid so one of the things actually here I'm gonna pull it off the chair in the back here. My everyday day day came, cause I have about 10 different canes, depending on what I'm doing. It's it's a rigid NFB style cane. What we like to get and provide our students with at the center as we get them these little magnetic cable ties. Just little silicon magnetic cable ties. We get them off Amazon. They're pretty cheap for a pack of 30, but we'll just teach them to a little slip knot on it and they can. Twisted around the cane. For whenever they're not using it. And they can stick that magnet to any metal surface if there's not a metal surface that they can stick it to like the chair that I'm sitting in right now then you can actually and loop it real quick, slide that little slip knot down. Tighten it back up and then tighten it around like a the actual chair back or a table. Lots of students really like those. It actually helps us sell different people wine. Being more open to. Rigid king. As opposed to just only looking at a folding cane. And so in addition to those magnetic silicon ties, what I like to carry around with me is inevitably Kane's break and when you're in the middle of an O and M lesson or like myself who travels blind everywhere. You don't want to be stuck with out of cane. I do carry a second came with me just in case but I know that there's plenty of students I work with that do not and so what I've actually done is I've taken a piece of PVC pipe. And I've cut it into like 4 little pieces here long ways. And what I'll do is I'll actually take duct tape and wrap those around where the brake is and wrap it around. I saw it. It's not going to be a good solid dependable cane, you know, for a significant time or ever again really once once it has that big break but Well, first dig thing like this definitely helps, make that cane, last until they can get to a place where having that broken cane isn't as big of a deal you know mainly home or friends house wherever they're going. Moving kind of more into a little bit higher tech. One of the things that I like to make use of for O and M. Technology is I'm big fan of the air tags. I will use those both for myself to keep track of items. I carry a bag around with me. It's I like to tell people it's kind of like my Blind man's car trunk. Get to carry all my gizmos and just supplies for the day. In there. I will, typically put these in there, but in addition to that, If I'm at a location, I can kind of like I can leave my bag. Table like say a conference or meeting. Leave that bag there and having the air tag right inside. While they aren't super loud, typically they're loud enough in most settings. Where I can ultimately use my O and M skills to get back to where I was sitting at. And get that air tag to play a sound just enough so that can find the final way back in. Just kind of makes it a little bit easier to look a little bit more graceful. And, big giant public gatherings. Which is definitely a plus when it comes to getting out and interacting with society as a whole for blatant individuals. Besides the air tag, I definitely, since, since I live off of my, the apps on my phone. I tell people it's kind of like my blind Swiss Army knife. Definitely make sure to carry a battery pack with me. I actually have a Fairly large one here with me that I keep around it'll give me about like 10 charges on my phone and then I have a universal UI cable retractable cable here. That has USBA on one side. And then these 3 here I can choose either between, micro USB, lightning cable or USBC, connection. So that way I really only have to carry one chord when I have different devices that require those different. And circumstances where I might need to convert a USBA cable to a USBC actually carry around NASL USBA to see adapter here. And that just slipped that on the end if you've never seen those and it works just fine and most USVC ports occasionally they'll be they'll be issues with a data transfer if I'm trying to do that but as far as just charging it's seems to work. I've never had issues with it. Andrew, this is Donna. Those adapters are lovely to have. Yes. So. Kind of moving into a couple of other devices. Sometimes, you know, we, we like to talk about having headphones. Couple of different options that typically come across and introduced to individuals whenever I get the chance. There's definitely the shocks, bone deduction headphones, which are which are pretty popular. With individuals. But as another option, because I've noticed that Just in my personal use it seems like there's only a certain amount of info you can get from those at times. What we've actually have found and show people is these. The brand's called Ola Dance. It's Oh LA dance, DANC. But they're, open back, open your headphones. So you just kind of curl them over the top. Of your ear. And then the headphones actually don't block any sound. Which is one of the big advantages that people like using bone conduction or shocks for. I can wear these and walk down the street and it really it doesn't impact any of the information I'm getting from my hearing while I'm using these. Andrew, this is Donna. I linked the Amazon link to the OLD in the chat for them. And Yeah. Oh, lovely. Excuse the very long. Link for those of you that are using screen readers. I apologize. It doesn't let me in bed in the chat. Okay. And I'm actually excited. I haven't seen him yet, but I just found out the other day, Shocks has actually come out with their own open- design headphones that are not bone conducting. So I'll be interested to get a set of those and check those out as well. But I kind of like these open ear headphones over the BOME conduction personally just because the sounds a lot richer. I've. I feel like I can get a better quality audio as far as volume goes. Whenever I'm out traveling around. And then in situations where the volume of these may not even be enough. And then what I'll do is I actually do carry a regular set aheadphones, with me so that I can plug in, then I'll just put one in one ear. Typically, whenever I'm doing that, it'll be a situation where I'm riding the bus and it's real loud either because people or the roads torn out from the bus driving up and down and the doors on the bus are rattling. But I'll use that with a couple of different apps I'll talk about here in a little while. Where it'll give me actual push notifications, let me know when it stops coming up. So in addition to talking to the bus driver and learning the route and paying attention to the stop request button record, whichever the bus may have, gives me yet another tool to have in my toolbox to make sure I get where I want to go. See here, got that so that's it. Oh, actually, no, I forget. Got this one other piece. The other thing that I actually find sometimes I actually prefer. I'll make use of like this, these little speakers like this is little JBL clip and I'll actually just clip it onto one of my backpack straps. It has the little daisy chains on the shoulder straps and so I'll hang it up there. And with apps like Soundscape, yes, Soundscape is back. It's a different manufacturer, but with Soundscape or another app called Voice Vista. If you haven't checked it out, I will be showing that in a little bit as well. It has settings where you can, actually get the media controls to override your phone from the speaker. So whenever I'm out walking around with this clip on What I can do is if I wanted to call out my current location that I can just hit the play button twice. Kind of like a double tap on the phone just on a speaker and it'll call out where I'm currently, located and I'll call out where I'm currently located, which is cool. But it gets makes the phone a little bit louder. I don't have to necessarily when traffic's really loud kind of be holding it up to my head. To see if I can hear it. Makes travel a little bit. More relaxed being able to have options and Definitely have had plenty of students that actually end up opting in for carrying around another little portable speaker like this. There's other ones, then, the little portable speaker like this. There's other ones then, these JBL clips. But that just happens to be the one that I carry around with me. Alright, so I'm gonna Pull up. See, get my phone going here. Alright, I'm gonna go ahead and pull that voice vista here and then I'll share my screen so that you all can see that. I apologize, my phone keeps trying to connect to audio and I'm trying not to do it so we don't get a nice little echo with zoom going here. No problem. Does anybody have any questions that are burning that we can get out there and get ready while we're? Waiting for technology to be wonderful. Yeah, you're able to unmute yourself and ask. While we're waiting, it's not a problem. I'm going to link in the chat. Hey. Texas sensibilities subscription link. If you are not subscribed to Texas sensibilities, or you submitted one of the old forms that was written. And are not receiving Texas sensibilities. Please go to this link and subscribe to the Texas sensibilities newsletter. There you go. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, okay, voice vista here. So if you haven't heard of voice vista here. So if you haven't heard of voice vista, before soundscape came back under a new developer. Voice Vista ended up coming out. The thing I like about voice Vista is that it has all the lovely features of soundscape. The the 3D audio. For calling out of points of interest. It has the audio beacon that you can track. The thing that I like about it compared to soundscape. Itself is that it actually has the tabs down here at the bottom which I feel like makes this screen as a screen reader. Less cluttered. That that that was one kind of con that I felt was present with a soundscape and it's still present in the new soundscape out there. It that main screen if someone's not used to touch navigation then if they're just using a singer finger to flick left or right to scroll through the screen, it's it's very congested congested but making use of the different tabs that they have down here at the bottom. I've definitely noticed that with some students it makes a little bit easier for them to Makes sense of how to use the app. Okay. And like I said, it's pretty, pretty comparable to soundscape. I will say that with any of these, wavefinding GPS apps that I'm gonna be, sharing with you all here. You want to take the pre existing. Poi information and points of interest that you can search for in the app with a grain of salt. A POI, it doesn't necessarily end up being beneficial. For someone if they're trying to attract that by sending a beacon on it. Really with these wayfinding apps like voice visa, soundscape, if you have students that are Android users, there's definitely good. Maps and Lazarus as well. The real power of those I feel like as a blind traveler comes in when you can breadcrumb those GPS coordinates. When you when you can create a route or you can actually go in and manually create those little breadcrumbs, tying them to the GPS, coordinates. Typically what I'll have my students do is they go to explore a new area, drop a, PIN save that save that marker save that GPS coordinate whatever the particular vernacular is for the app that they decide that they want to use, it all comes back to saving that GPS coordinate. I have them drop one right there when they first get off the bus so if nothing else they know they can find their way back to that bus stop. And then from there, basically anytime they would take a major turn or at an intersection or at a particular area on campus. Then I'll have them drop another one and in the long run if they drop more than they need they can always go back and delete them. So that's That's really where I think a lot of the. Major, you know, workhorse of these apps can come into play. Just just from my personal experience and and working with with my students on these apps. It really really helping them become most independent travelers that they can be. Okay. So kinda just let y'all hear it even has the voice visit here even has the same soundscape voices and sounds all. Facing North, the long service road. Excellent. So there's that one. For. Yeah, Okay, yeah. Okay. We can, 0 point 8 miles. 275 feet take a wait on the road. So kinda like the original. Sounds good. So now it's pointing at the beginning. Okay. Okay, Yeah. Okay. So that's voice. I'll go ahead and switch over to sound close this out and switch over to soundscape. Okay. Check something. So this is the new, edition of Soundscape. Just since this, using this new version of Soundscape that's come out. Kind of comparing it to Voice Vista. One of the things I've noticed is at least right now. The actual street names sometimes are a little bit. Off like over here between Chris Cole and Texas School for the Blind. We have sunshine, drive and voice vista will actually call out Sunshine Drive. This this version of Soundsgate action soundscape actually just labels calls out that it's a unnamed service road. So not not necessarily, you know. Game breaker or anything like that, but it's definitely a little nuance in it that I've noticed. I would imagine that as this is this version of soundscape is out longer that that will be something that they improve. . That sounds So. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Going back to my navigation. Okay. Good maps outdoors. This is another way finding app that I really enjoy in particular. The reason why I like good maps outdoors over soundscape or voice vista is that when traveling with it or writing in a car bus. I feel like it's more reliable and easier to find out the names of the cross streets as we're driving down a road. Just cause it will kind of do it automatically. I also like that it has a shake gesture where you can trigger it. See if I can get it to work. Yes. And of course it's not one to work right now because it's technology. Yeah. But I also like how, good maps here will also share the actual street address as you're right there, as opposed to just calling out the name of a location. Again, kind of come back to those core O and M skills being able to make use of that address and apply it into using numbering systems to know which direction you need to travel and how many blocks. To reroute if if you're trying to get to a destination or if you if you get lost. Out of out of the 2 apps on my phone, which can. Also be used on Android platforms. I definitely prefer Good maps to Lazarillo personally. But I do have many students who like Lazarillo better because of being able to use a different voice with a I can go ahead and switch over to Lazarus here. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And what's the name of this app? You're switching to Andrew. This is Donna. Lazaro it's LAZ I don't know if it's true, but I've been told that it's, actually, what they refer to guide dogs over in Spain. And that's how it got Si do know that the icon is a little dog. It is a little guide dog. That is so cute. Yeah, yeah, so. Okay. Yes, You. There's nothing. And I have linked that and all the other apps that we have been discussing. In the chat if you'd like to follow those links to look. Okay, Okay. Okay. Okay. There we go. Sorry. And I'll know if you all heard that real clear, but actually when you open the app it does actually make half like the sound of a dog kind of walking along and You know, So you all can hear the voice here. I'm gonna go ahead and hit the where am I button. You're not getting your location. Your GPS location is not available. That would be because I'm inside. Get up your location. Your GPS location is not available. But even just that, I'll go ahead and hit again so you can hear it. It's here's the voiceover voice. Bye. And I'll go ahead and hit the where am I. Yeah, your location, your GPS location is not available. So a little bit different voice. The in addition to having a little bit different voice. That students kind of prefer a little bit more with this one versus good maths whenever I've given it, give them the option and show them both. One of the things I kinda like having them do just so that makes it a little bit easier for them to pay attention to the information. Is if they have their screen reader with a using a mail voice then I'll have them set up a female voice. In the app. So that way they can tell. Where what's being spot what information is being spoken aloud easier they they don't have to dedicate as much brain power towards was that something my phone was selling me like a notification or was that that's something that the app was telling me. And vice versa if they if they have a male voice on on their phone than having a female voice on on the actual app. Okay. The, if you have not, if you're not familiar with this app, the way that they save GPS coordinates is you save it as a favorite. And when you're going to going through the different categories you can pull actually the tab down the bottom you have the favorites tab that you can pull up. Thanks. Okay. And. I don't currently have any favorites in here, but I would easily be able to add them by going to the admin. Thanks. And since I don't have GPS, reception right now, it's not gonna give me this info, but it kind of gives you a push notification here where right now it's telling me that it's it's getting getting GPS information it'll actually tell you how accurate your GPS is. When you're trying to save that favorite. Voice vista, I good maps, soundscape, that it's a little bit more involved than that. You kind of have to. Teach someone how to go through the different menus to find the actual accuracy. And I always tell my students they wanna check that accuracy before they save that, GPS coordinate just because the more accurate the GPS coordinate is when you save it. The easier it's going to be to locate it when they come back and try and find it with the app later on. Thank you. Okay. So, voice Vista, Soundscape, Lazaro, and Good Maps. I apologize. I know I keep saying Lazaro and Lazaro. It's a I'm referring to the same app. Honestly, just I tried to say Lazaro in general. I'm I don't have a very good tongue for speaking. Spanish, but I've been told that that's the proper way to say it. So in general, I tried to say Lazario, but I do get to have issues with it sometimes and kind of without thinking about it refer to it as Those are the 4, way finding applications that I typically will show students. Beyond that, there's also the term by turn GPS apps that you have and typically the one that I showed a students just because it has. It's available on both platforms. Iphone and, Android. Is Google Maps. In my experience with walking directions, it tends to be more reliable than say Apple Maps. And you can turn on a feature in Google Maps called detailed voice guidance where it it gives you more information. Sometimes you get more information about an intersection and they'll tell you if it's a light controlled intersection, if it's a big intersection, and even when it doesn't do that, it does give you, Callouts on directions the walking directions more frequent so instead of just flat out leaving it at in point 2 miles you're gonna turn right on to Lamar. Just tell you every like 200 feet or so, 400 feet or so say keep walking straight and 200 feet. So sometimes people find that a little bit, more More comforting, when, they're in an unfamiliar area and they're making use of those apps. Yes. True, this is Donna. Joanna asked what was the mode called again. For, that, was just talking about. Yes, sir. It's called detailed voice guidance and I'll actually pull up Google Maps here and show you all where it's located in there. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yes. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. Yes, Okay. So in. Google Maps here, you would go to your profile up here. We are not casting, Andrew. Okay. Okay. Okay, I will switch back over real quick and get that. Okay. But, Okay. So if there's possible way for you to slow down the speed, I think some of us could follow. Yeah. I'll slow it down when I get there. I'm just, trying to get to the app right now. Okay. I am a little out of practice following that quickly. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. You know what? I think I accidentally closed out of the Zoom Meeting on my phone. So I will turn around and show you all. Okay, you mean, 65%, 60%. Alright. Is the brightness all right on my phone right now? It is a bit reflecty. Okay, let's see here. Control. If and that's a new word by the way, reflectee. We're done with one thing. I thought so. Erlingo, switch button. Well, Miss Boulder, find out. Double-, Google Naps. That's it. Google Maps Google. I just in the area heading. Is that a little bit better? Or is it more so the lights above me? Oh, that's completely a white screen. White screen. Alright. Location tracking and program. Okay. Yeah. I think that's a decent speed I think we can. Listen along. Yeah. Okay. Notification center. Notification center. Notification center. Notification center. Heading. And, I can control the center. Rightness, 100%, 90%, 80%. So. 40%. 30%, 20%. That looks much better. 10%. Like better to. Alright, cool. Okay. Paid mail. No one my emails. Google Maps. Action. State chat, button, selected. That's lower chat. Okay, so in Google Maps Location tracking and latest in the area. 3, search here. Accountant settings. So if you go to your account. Account venue. Close. Change, sign in as entry. Management, turn on and copy your profile. Your timeline, but location sharing. I'll find that your data settings. Go to settings. Just a few minutes. Part mode. Google Assistant. Navigation. Go to navigation Setting. Excessive. And then all the way down at the bottom. Detail voice guidance. That's the mode. If you turn that feature on, it'll give you those. More frequent callouts. And actually when you're in a route, it has a little, Well, oh, I can't remember what they're called the little ticker box we're gonna change it between muting the callouts, just calling out the directions or calling out all the call-outs that the detailed voice guidance wants to. So, so it's even something that if you didn't want it on all the time. Or for a particular route that you could leave it on and then you could easily switch it back to just giving you the directions while you're using it. Andreys, I called, Cat Metro ADIX. So yeah, that, to tell voice guidance is in particular really, I find very useful. I find my students find it very useful. When getting turn by turn. That's, which, navigation folder, in addition to Google Maps for term by turn, I typically, will share with students, several different apps for looking bus route information. The 2 in particular that I tend to show students, again, these 2 are very comparable if you haven't seen them is move it in transit. Move it if you have not heard of it. It's MO. VIT. And they they both have paid options that you can do but you can also get information for free off of them. Good not sound doors. Move it, sounds good. Good. Sounds great. Excellent. Sounds great. Okay. Okay. Okay. Alright. Good. No, no. Not now, button. Page 1 3 3 3. Lisa. We'll see your own minutes. Alright, so here here is movie here. It has a several different tabs down at the bottom. It has a several different tabs down at the bottom. It has a several different tabs down at the bottom. So you just go flat out for direction. You can pull up information by stops. You can pull up information by stops. You can pull up information by, stops, where, where I'll pull up information by, stops, where, where I'll pull up information by, stops, where, where I'll pull up the actual, lines and the actual schedule for those lines at particular stops. And then you can, search a particular transit agency for all of its lines. And you can search through those lines if your transit agency has them, by bus, by, rail. It, sorts it down to different ones. It also gives you a search, bar where you can type in the name of the route. You can also, different lines as favorites. You can also set up different stops or stations as favorites. So like for example where I find that useful in in my life is setting, setting favorites on the bus stop, outside of, Chris Cole over here. Just because I know that that's the one that I'm gonna have to take, to start heading home. And so I can look to see what the real-time bus arrivals are going to be when it comes time to leaving work at the end of the day. Coming into work, I have the bus stop save near my house. So again, I can check when the next departures are coming. So I know have a better idea of how to time when I need to leave my house so I'm not just sitting at the bus stop for 30 min. More like I get there and I know it takes me like 7 min to walk from my house to the bus stop and so if I do that and give myself a extra like 2 maybe 3 min like cushion time then I have to you know I only have to leave my house 10 min before the bus is due to arrive. Move it and transit both will let you, when you get directions, to, it'll give you different options. Google Maps does the same. But it'll give you different, trip options and you can prioritize how you want those options to show up. Whether you want it to be quickest route, if you want it to be the shortest route or the route with the least amount of walking involved. You were the fewest number of transfers. You can set those up in the different settings as your preferences. It'll give you the general layout, but then once you select a trip, you can choose to start that trip in the app. It'll actually give you push notifications. As you're going along. So I'll let you know when the bus is getting ready to come when you should be getting on the bus. I'll let you know when your stops like 2 stops away and then I'll let you know when you're coming up to your stop. You do have to do that before getting on the bus. You have to start those trips. I've noticed. I haven't tried their paid version. I don't know if it would be different in the paid version, but the free version works well enough. You can't start it once you're on the bus because it won't sync up to the bus you're actually getting on at that point. And that's where this, this app in particular where I was saying earlier that, having a regular set of wired headphones, can come into play and I'll just put like one earbud in so I can still list of wired headphones, can come into play and I'll just put like one earbud in, can come into play and I'll just put like one earbud in, so I can still listen to the bus in, so I can still listen to the bus and what's going on around me, but hear it, clear enough that I can actually, pay attention to those push notifications as they come through. Okay. Double touch open. Finally, the last app that I've really been enjoying is pretty new. I think it's great. I know a lot of people are talking about it right now, but, helping to tell when the pedestrian walk signal is is on. I think it's really awesome tool and really making use of some of the AI programs are coming out. Andrew, could you spell that? This is And Yeah, it's OKO. Good mass outdoors. Double touch. Google Naps. Oh, okay. Oh I actually pulled that up right here. So here's the app itself. And basically, all that it does is it uses the back facing camera on the phone. You don't have to have it perfectly, centered on the, walk signal across the intersection when you're using it. You, you do have to make sure that you are pointing the phone across the street that you're wanting to cross. I've definitely seen students not be as aware of their posture and how they're holding the phone and point it kind of caddy corner across the intersection. That's the one main drawback, but it does seem to be pretty reliable. When my, when I've used it with my students and when I've used it personally in different situations where there's not a whole lot of parallel traffic or. For me to listen for that surge on. Again, I you know, always stress, you know, stick to your own and basic, listen for that fresh near-parallel surge to know when it's safe to cross across the street but whenever there's not a whole lot of traffic for you to hear that surge. This app tends to be really useful. I'm gonna pull up here where you can hear like the little, announcement that's that gives you it does get you can set up in settings so that it only provides haptic feedback the the phone will will vibrate and it vibrates similar to the audio information that it gives. It gives a beep and you can also set it up to give a voice announcement with that beep. How are we keeping? Just yes. Andrew, this is Donna. I'm Joanna, let us know that there is an Oko app upcoming session at Swoma. Yes, I know I can't wait. I'm sorry. I gotta look excited there. I am definitely signed up for that one. I can't wait to hear more about it. So playing around with it will be interesting to hear from the I believe it's the developer that's doing it. Presenting the session. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I do know that I'm signed up for it and I'm looking forward to it. And, this is how this works. Record the mistake. Okay. Okay. This how this works. Record a mistake. Accountant settings. Pedestrians, accountant settings, 3 part of his state, how this works, accounts and settings. Number additional off. This is camera visual. How this works? Record a mistake. Accountant setting, pedestrian sickle. Pedestrian signal. Location tracking. We're gonna get into it. Okay. Now, how this works? Record a mistake. There it is. D10, the pedestrian signal action with feedback. Don't want to go. Okay, so. Don't walk signal. Washington. Thanks. There's not one. Okay, but don't walk signal. Okay, so that's for don't walk. So kind of a slower one. And every time it beeps there, I'm definitely getting a little of vibration through the phone. One single, Walk, get going, you know, nice rapid beep. And then I personally, . Try not to get my students pay as much attention to the countdown signal to pay as much attention to the countdown signal mainly just because if they're going on the fresh surgeon to, the countdown signal, mainly just because if they're going on the fresh surge, then they should And I don't want them necessarily paying so much attention to the app. When they're crossing the street that they start veering and doing some kind of some crazy veer either in block or you know even worse into parallel traffic because they're trying to hold their phone camera up to keep track of that. Walk signal. I imagine there's some people that would find it useful and I could see how there's some potential there. But just in my my own opinion I just personally think that it's it's a little bit too much information on it but but it is there. If you're standing at the the corner, you know, and you're wanting to find out more information, analyze the intersection, not as familiar with it. I have seen and my students just listen to it so they can kind of get an idea of when that countdown starts to kick in. But the countdown sound is kind of in between those. Okay, the pedestrians, feedbacks. Yes. Andrew, this is Donna. Mary has linked for those of us that are not registered for Swoma, the linked for registration in the chat. Thank you. The pedestrian signal. Cleveland feedbacks. PEDIC. If don't want signal. Play. What's the countdown one right there. . And just haptic feedback. It's a real, strong, vibration and a kind of lowers the intensity of that vibration at kind of. Going with the sound as it's going down in pitch there. So. Yeah, those are those are the main apps that really, make use of with my students, in addition to the various different pieces of technology. Yeah, I have any questions or caught comments, thoughts. Definitely make sure that all my students know that I don't feel like I know all of it by any stretch of the imagination. I honestly don't know why I never thought about it, but I had a student, literally just yesterday, we were walking downtown and they pulled out seen AI to see a see a business sign and kind of get like some vague interpretation of it to see if we were actually where we wanted to go. We were looking for raising canes and yeah, I thought that was pretty clever. Kinda goes in with the envision glasses and using the Envision app to do that OCR, you know, the the stellar track that's out there. It's it's a little quick read mode. Very very similar to that. I I just I don't know why I never thought about it but my student did I was like oh that's genius. Yeah. Thank you, Andrew. Anita says that is very useful. Thank you. And I know I am. Having so much fun with the envision glasses. Even though the price point, I can't. Okay. Yes. Oh my own pair, but yeah they are they are lovely and fun until I have to send them back. Okay. We have a question from Sonia. Do the apps only work with voiceover? No, they do work with Talkback as well. And the apps in general, I, if you don't want to use any screen reader with them at all, they do have have a auditory feedback that comes out anyways. The only one that I don't know for sure if it would. Actually. I give you a voice when either voiceover talk back was It's turning on what phone you had is good maps. I haven't tried it without a screen reader on and I know that they do like to tie it to the actual screen reader voice. That was a great question. And Sonia says, thank you. Because Okay. Thank you. Does anyone else have a question? Before we wrap up, I do need to announce that those of you who do not have a name on your Zoom participant batch. So if it says iPhone or iPad, please change your name on that list so that we can have your attendance if you can't figure out how to change your name it's okay just chat that to me and I will change it for you. Do we have any questions for Andrew? Andrew, do you have anything else I kind of interrupted you there? Oh no, you're good. I, I guess the one thing I'd like to add to all this is, you know, I've kind of gave like a very like broad overview of the different apps that I really like using with my students. But anytime I introduce these apps. For most of them, there It's done over the course of several lessons. It's it's not I want to make sure that they're comfortable with using the app that they can maneuver around within the menus and nowhere different features. Are located inside the app before we actually leave the building with it and start going outside. Just I feel like it's something that's kinda intuitive but at the same time I wanna wanna make sure that I am emphasizing that, you know, I, when I am actually teaching these apps to my students, I do actually spend a good amount of time just introducing them to the app. And even with dictation, I do like to wait until my students can at least make use of the keyboard effectively before taking them outside with them as well. Awesome. And Jessica says thank you. You're such a good resource and an expert. I love having having our power users on because There it kind of drives home of how it actually is used instead of me just talking about it. Yeah. Alright, we're gonna wrap up here. I'm gonna go ahead and share my screen again. I believe I changed everybody's name. Except for one. Karen, yours is good. It's only if it shows up as iPhone or iPad. That's. Those of you that sent me the name, I've changed it. Or if not, there's still an iPhone listed. Attendance. So just know if you don't get an email. For attendance that may be why. Is because we couldn't match your name to your attendance. Alright, let's go back over here. As we wrap up. I'm gonna put into chat. All of our resources for today will be posted on my website which has a QR code. And the link is in. The chat for everyone. And you can check out that resource site. It has other things other than. Good time. Again, Texas sensibilities if you did not. Get subscribed to the Texas sensibility newsletter. Check it out and. Subscribe to the newsletter that again is in the chat or you can follow the QR code that's on the screen. There are lots of articles and things written. Mary says, thank you, Drew. For those of you that are looking for some other ATIA courses, ATIA is offering some free courses. Again, the link is in the chat for everyone. Our upcoming mark your calendars. October twelfth, we will have Jim Allen coming in to talk about ONM and 3D printing and more other projects that he's working on. October, the nineteenth, we will have no session. And then we will wrap up October O and M month with Andrea Bishop and Kelly Nicholson doing how to include travel tech in your lesson. So they are going to really do more of that on the ground work. So mark your calendars and the code that everyone is waiting for. Is our closing code that is 6 0 4 4 9 5 remember if you want to see a topic in tech t time to follow that QR code or this link that I just put in the chat. And give me your suggestions. We are going to start building next year's lessons already. And if you don't hear reply from me, it is because we are either covering your suggestion in a session. Or I'm trying to work it into next year's session. And that is the end of T time for today. Thank you again, Andrew, for coming and. Visiting with us and leading our discussion today. Okay. I will stay a few more minutes after and then I have to run. So if you have a question, you can stay after and ask.