TSBVI Coffee Hour: Exploring ChromeVox on your Chromebook Ð 05 06 21 >> Cecilia: By the way, I have been using the mantis just fine and now all of a sudden it decided to stop on me and, of course, it does not work. >> Bruce: Okay. >> Cecilia: ChromeVox, period, right? >> Bruce: is it on? >> Cecilia: Because I didn't have the ChromeVox >> Cecilia: Let me show you what I couldn't do. I'm afraid if somebody asks me how to do this >> Cecilia: I'm not sharing? >> Bruce: Not now. >> Cecilia: Hang on. >> Bruce: So on all of these do a ChromeVox right arrow key. There's all of your keystrokes. And then we just go down and look at them and you can see the key stroke and the function. So when you have jump, tab, headings, that is all of your keystrokes. >> Cecilia: I was pretty much -- if you want to, I was thinking that we should just follow the handout, like just pretty much follow it and then I was going to show them the tutorial, how to get -- >> Bruce: Sure. >> Cecilia: How to get in and out of the tutorial. >> Bruce: I think that would be great to follow the handout. >> Cecilia: Okay. >> Bruce: So it's really good now. >> Cecilia: Right. And I was thinking pretty much go down the list just like what we have done in the handout and then -- and then I'll walk them through placing the app >> Cecilia: So, Bruce, you introduce yourself first and then I will introduce myself. >> Bruce: You go first. >> Cecilia: Because of all of these meetings I have to keep track of what I need to do. >> You're welcome. Thank you! >> Kate: You guys need anything? have any questions? I mean you're old hats at this. You have done this before. >> Cecilia: I think that I'm good. >> Okay, opening the room. >> Kate: Hello! We'll get started in just a minute. hi, everyone. If you want to let us know in chat where you're joining us from, it's fun to see. As we're waiting to start, please go ahead and in your chat box make sure that that little dropdown menu says "all panelists and attendees." so we can get started in just one morminute. -- more minute. All right. Well, let's go ahead and get started and we want to make sure that Cecilia and Bruce have plenty of time. Thank you for joining us today. All right, so I just had to find my notes page and you think that I'd have the announcements memorized by now. Again, just make sure that your chat box says "all panelists and attendees" so everyone can see your comments and questions. And microphones and cameras are automatically muted, no need to worry about those. We have shared the link to the handout in chat and we'll share it a few more times throughout the hour so that you can access the handout while sevealia and Bruce are talking today. It will also be available -- at later access along with the recording of this session at our coffee hour website. So if you go to tsbvi.edu/coffeehour you can scroll under the list of sections and you can see visit, and the TSBVI outreach coffee hour archive and that's the link to take you where you can find the recordings and handouts and transcripts and chat information. For your C.E.U.s and your response from the evaluation from our website escworks and you can enter the code that I'll give you at the end of today's session. So no opening code, just the code that I give at the end and we'll stop the presentation at five minutes to the hour to give you that code and announcements. I am happy to introduce Cecilia Robinson and Bruce McClanahan. >> Bruce: Okay, so I think that I'll start. Cecilia will do most of the presentation. She doesn't know that, does she? I'm the assistive technology technologist for the Washington state school for the blind. >> Cecilia: And I'll Cecilia Robinson and I work at the Texas school for the blind with the outreach department doing pretty much what Bruce is doing in Washington, except that I'm in Texas. So, thank you for joining us for the coffee hour. We decided to create this session as almost a follow-up and following through with what we did with the introduction webinar back in the Fall. So some of the comments from that webinar was that you really -- I mean, the audience really wanted to have some more information on how to use information in drive, especially navigating drive. And then also creating documents and Docs and what to do and so on. So Bruce and I talked about it and looked at all of the comments and the requests, and we decided to address a few topics. Given that this is only one hour, and I will go to help you to become comfortable with navigating both drive and also using some of the -- the features in Docs comfortably. And you should have had received the link to get the handout. And pretty much we will follow the handout today. On your handout, I quickly will go through that. The topics that we're going to cover are the search menus and some of the ChromeVox commands and the tutorial that is really improved by Google. And we'll look at a few things in Google drive like navigating Google drive. And we'll talk a little bit about the files and the folders and create a document in Docs. And the support of Braille. Both Bruce and I have been using the Mantis, the A.P.H. Mantis and that is something that is available available on the federal Covid fund system. And we'll let you know how that works and we'll update you on some of those things. So if you have a Chromebook with you, you're welcome to follow with us. If not, you can just watch and listen. When ChromeVox is on it's going to be a little bit loud and please bear with us because sometimes I think that it's really important for students who are learning to use ChromeVox to be able to go ahead and to listen to what ChromeVox has to say, basically learning to listen to the audio messages. And learn to do it in a way that they can be comfortable with it, and then later on be able to cut off so much of the audio messages, and then to do it a different way. In the handout, we pretty much gave you what I would call the long way of doing things, like navigating through menus and sub-menus and then giving you the quick keyboard command for that. So the reason is that I don't know about your teaching style, but for me is on the computer there usually are two ways to make things happen. Students need to do, quote, what I call "the long way," go through the menu items step-by-step and all of that, and that's why it's important for them to listen to the messages and then they can also use a quick command to do that when they are comfortable with the technology. And so, anyway, we're going to go through that. Are there any questions so far? Before I turn on ChromeVox. >> Kate: Not any in the chat so far. >> Cecilia: Okay, great. I'm going to go ahead and to share my screen. And a few things. Before -- before we turn on ChromeVox, there are a few things that Bruce and I had talked about, and we feel that it is important to facilitate efficiency by having the student -- by having student to be able to put things on the launcher or to be able to search things on the launcher. So to get to the launcher is alt, shift and L, and that's what I'm going to do. So now on here you can see the button here on the bottom left highlighted and so now there's several ways for me to navigate. And I did not turn on ChromeVox yet, and I want to show you what I'm doing first. So I'm using -- once the launcher is what we call "highlighted," or in the screen reading world, we call it -- it's focused. Then I can use the right arrow and the focus is now on my drive. And if I press the right arrow again, it will go to another app and so on. So until you go to the end, which is where all of your information is with the -- what they call "system menu" and then if they want to go back they can press the left arrow or continue to press the right arrow, so it will cycle through the launcher. When ChromeVox is on you will hear that and I will do that in just a sec. But, say, you if you don't see anything on the shelf, one way to get to the launcher is when the focus is on the launcher, you can press "enter." when you press "enter," there is an up arrow or there is a search. But I'm going to go through the up arrow. This is where all of your apps are. When ChromeVox is on, you can use the ChromeVox or the search button, and right arrow and left arrow to navigate through it. But these are all of the apps on the first page. And then on the right side here, there is a hollow little circle. And if you click on that, that will take you to the next page. Sighted people will do this to click and all of that. When you are using ChromeVox you can continue to use the ChromeVox or search, right arrow. And even when you come to the end of it, it will automatically take you to the next page. So there is no missing of any information. Or if you want to search for something that you know that is somewhere on your Chromebook you can put the focus on here and then write in and all of that for you. So with that, what I'm going to do is to quickly show you -- I'm sorry -- I forgot to tell you how to put it on your shelf. Say, if you want the file on here -- so you would navigate and put your focus on "file," I'm sorry -- I did the wrong thing. I shouldn't have clicked. Let me start again. Shift, alt and L, and then I press "enter." and I will do "search up" and do "enter" -- well, I did that wrong. So, anyway, I'll cheat and go back to clicking. So when you here say, I don't see the app YouTube on my shelf, I want to put YouTube on my shelf. So what you would do is you point to this icon and then right click. And all you need to do is to choose "pin to shelf." and now it is on your shelf. And if you want to find it, then you can search right here. Say, I want to search for Google Docs. So I'm going to write d, and then it will show me Google Docs and when ChromeVox is on it will say Google Docs and you can then press "enter" and it will take you right to Docs, okay? Before we turn on ChromeVox, when Bruce and I were talking about the launcher, he was telling me that he got to a point that he could not find the app in his launcher. And, Bruce, do you want to talk a little bit about that? >> Bruce: Okay. Sometimes they just aren't there. So then you just open a new tab, and then you would tab three times, you could do this, Cecilia. So if they aren't there, do you want me to share this on the screen? >> Cecilia: Yes, please. I'm going to go ahead and stop my share. Hang on one second. >> Bruce: Okay. Can you see my screen? >> Cecilia: Yes. >> Bruce: Wow, this is going to be fun because I can't see it so let's do it with speech. So I'll do a control t. And I just opened up a new tab. I'm going to turn on ChromeVox. >> The search bar, you are in. >> Bruce: I hit the control key to stop it. And now I'm going to hit the tab key four times. >> There, images, Google Apps -- >> Bruce: That is a quick way to get to the Google apps. And then I can push "enter." and then I can navigate through my Google apps with just the arrow keys. Or tab keys, actually. >> Search now -- >> Bruce: So if I can't get them in my launcher, you know that sometimes I.T., other reasons, mainly I.T., you can't get them in the launcher. So then you can always get to them with Google apps that way. So now I'm going to stop sharing and turn it back -- this is where -- also it's a neat way not to configure, if they're always there, it's just a new tab, and I'm going to close the tab with a control W, okay, and then I'm going to stop my share. And turn it back to you, Cecilia, okay? >> Cecilia: All right. >> Bruce: So sometimes they just aren't there and getting to the Google apps with a new tab is a nice way to always get there. >> Cecilia: All right. So I'm going to turn on my ChromeVox. >> ChromeVox is ready. Share. >> Cecilia: All right. So let me go -- quickly go back to shift, alt, and L for the launcher. >> Launcher button, shelf, tool bar, window. >> Cecilia: To stop the speech temporarily, you can press the control key, and I'm going to press the right arrow. >> Google drive button, Google chrome button. Gmail button. >> Cecilia: And so on. >> Press space to activate. >> Cecilia: Okay. So that's what I wanted you to be comfortable with. And then let me go back to the launcher. >> Google chrome, Google launcher, button, toolbar, window. >> Cecilia: So if I want to activate the launcher, I press "enter." >> Search your device. Apps, settings and web. Use the arrow keys to navigate your apps. Lawner, partial view. >> Cecilia: If I wanted to go to this up arrow here, I can do ChromeVox or search, up arrow. >> Expand all apps, button. Press search, + activate. Search your device. Apps. Settings. And web. >> Cecilia: Here I can -- the focus is on the search field. I can type in something, or I can use the right ChromeVox or search right arrow to listen to what's on this page. >> Google drive, files, YouTube, button. Settings, Google drive, button. >> Cecilia: So you can always just use the right arrow to highlight and so on. >> Email, chrome, button, Docs, button. >> Cecilia: + I usually just use the search, right arrow or the search, left arrow and so on. So that's one way to get to the launcher and to search for apps quickly. >> Share. >> Cecilia: The next chunk that we want to show you is the search menu. So to activate the search menu, it's in the middle of your page one document under "search." it's the search button. By the way, we sometimes call this the "chromeVox button" and I call it "search" sometimes, so if we say ChromeVox or search, it's the same button. It's the button above the left shift key on your Chromebook. So shift, + period. >> Search the menus. Search. Type to search the menus. Use the up and down arrows to cycle through results. Use the right and left arrows to move between menus. >> Cecilia: Here is what is amazing is that there are many options. I'm going to use the right arrow. And ChromeVox is going to say a lot of things. And this is the part that I think that initially when you are teaching your student to use this item, it's important that they be patient -- we be patient as well -- and listen with them to make sure that they are getting the entire set of oral information, audio information, from ChromeVox. >> Menu, go to beginning of table search, + alt, + shift, + left arrow. Menu item, one of six/serve. Press up and down arrow to navigate. And go to +, alt, +, shift, left arrow. Menu item, one of six/seven. >> Cecilia: So it's telling me that the first item is go to beginning of table. And the key command is search +, alt, + shift + left arrow. That's a lot of information. And it's also telling us that it's one of the 67, and that means that there's 67 items and I want the students to be patient and to know that some items, some of the menu items are super long so you might want to work with them and use to pick and choose what they want to hear and let them know that it is important that they understand there are a lot. So I'm going to just navigate to the part that Bruce and I would like to show you what's going on. And it's the ChromeVox one. But let me go to all of the way across to table. >> Speech, tabs, ChromeVox, menu. Open tabs, menu. >> Cecilia: By the way, tabs, if you don't have any tabs open it will show nothing on there. So do not be alarmed when you go into this menu and your tabs are nothing, because unless you have something open, you won't have any information under tabs. >> ChromeVox, menu, captions, heading, link, form controls being table, menu. Search the menus. >> Cecilia: So when I got to table, I continued to press the right arrow and it cycles through to the first item. So let me go back to ChromeVox and I'm going to stop talking and let you listen to how many items under ChromeVox. >> ChromeVox, menu yet , one of one/three. Press up and down to navigate, and open keyboard and + control, + alt +... >> Cecilia: One of 13 items and so there's 13 items. Here you can go through a lot of the information and the part that we would love to show you right now is the ChromeVox to tutorial. >> Enable slash, open ChromeVox, plus, period, and then t. Menu item, one of three. >> Cecilia: This is the fourth item out of the 14 items so I can press enter or do search + O and then T. >> Press search, + left arrow to browse topics. >> Cecilia: It's telling me that ChromeVox tutorial is heading one and I can press the search right arrow or the left arrow for the item. So I want you to listen to it. >> Quick orientation. Link, press search, link. Press search, + space to activate. Navigation, link. Command references, link. Sounds and settings, link. Resources, link. Text to tutorial, button. ChromeVox tutorial, ChromeVox tutorial heading one. Press search. >> Cecilia: What I did is that I keep pressing ChromeVox and right arrow and that's why it took me back. It cycles to the back -- back to the heading one. So let me go to quick orientation. >> Quick orientation, link. Press search, plus space to activate. Share. >> Cecilia: Okay. I just pressed the wrong thing. Hang on, let me go back to it. >> ChromeVox, open ChromeVox, welcome to the ChromeVox tutorial. To exit the tutorial at any time, to turn off ChromeVox, control and alt, when ready use the space bar to move to the next item. ChromeVox tutorial, window. >> Cecilia: So here, it reads the information to you and then you can navigate to the next button. >> Let's start with a few keys that you will use regularly. The control key can be used to stop any current speech. Find the control key on the bottom left corner of your keyboard. To continue, press the control key. >> Cecilia: Anyway, this is the way to navigate the lessons and you can go to previous lessons, all lessons, main menu and exit tutorial. And this tutorial, I'm going to turn off my ChromeVox. This tutorial has been improved and we think that it might be a good tool for you to use if you wanted to learn a little bit more about ChromeVox on your own before you introduce it to the students. But the students can definitely navigate it using ChromeVox and to do the lessons themselves too. Or if they need to find the information quickly. So at this point, pretty much I want to ask if there are any questions before we go any further. >> Kate: There aren't any in the chat right now. But we can give it a minute and see if anyone writes one in. It doesn't look like it. I will let you know if something pops up. >> Cecilia: Okay. So it's pretty much self-explanatory and do not be afraid to turn on ChromeVox and try it and learn it yourself. If something is stuck, sometimes I get stuck too, and I press the keyboard too many times, too fast. And sometimes things do get stuck. And it's important that students understand that when something is stuck, that there is always a way to get out of it, and the key is to be patient. So with that, I'm going to turn it to Bruce and to let him to tell you a little bit about how to go through drive. >> Kate: Cecilia, there's a couple of questions that popped in. The first one says what are the commands to have ChromeVox read a document? >> Cecilia: That is upcoming. >> Kate: Okay, awesome. And the next one, is ChromeVox available in Spanish? >> Cecilia: I think that there is a way in your -- in Chromebook to change the language. So I don't know how good it sounds. Bruce, do you know? >> Bruce: I don't know. But I better find out. >> Cecilia: Yeah, we will find out. We need to play around with it. Because usually -- I know that when I worked in other places that the students would say that it does not sound like Spanish. So it really depends on the -- on the information that they put into the Chromebook, but we'll check and get back to you on that. So if you can write us -- leave us your email address and that we would definitely respond to you. >> Bruce: We could bring up the ChromeVox settings and find out. >> Cecilia: That's right. We can go to settings. >> Bruce: We can change the language right there. I don't know if we want to do that live right now. >> Cecilia: Right. We will respond with an email with the directions on how to check for that. >> Bruce: It would just be ChromeVox -- so one of the other things to mention as Cecilia was showing the panel, that is a really good way to see if a website is inaccessible, because you can see the entire website. Bring up any website and it will show you the whole website that way. And so a real quick way to see if all of the websites say, link, link, link, link. And you can show it to sighted people that, hey, this website is just really, really bad. And so that's a neat feature of the panel. Okay? So we were going to show drive and such. Is that what we have next, Cecilia? >> Cecilia: Yes. >> Bruce: I can jump in for a minute and show the Mantis if that would be okay. >> Cecilia: That's fine. And I have been using the Mantis to navigate when I was preparing for this too. If you want to show them. And while you are getting that ready, the Mantis, as I indicated earlier, is available from A.P.H. on federal quota. And it is a device that has its own little built-in word processor and some other features as well, however, the cool thing is that a querty keyboard but you can change the S.D.F. it into Braille keyboard and a 40 display. And Bruce and I have been doing work on the Mantis and we tried it with online Desmis calculators and it worked really well. And you can enter and have the students enter in U.B. Mack or using code. So it's a pretty good device, I would say. And it's still fairly new and we're still finding out things that worked well and things that did not work well. And so Bruce is going to share some of that with you. >> Bruce: Okay, so I'll go into "share." >> Let me turn off ChromeVox for a sec. I will share my desktop. I'm going to go in and I have an IPVO camera here and that's what the Mantis looks like. You will notice that I have labeled the keys for ChromeVox keys for it. So I have just taken a little white marker and labeled the ChromeVox keys here. So what you need to do with the Mantis is to just what's not working. It's not working right now, except on the beta channel. There were some issues with firm ware with the Mantis with A.P.H., whatever else was making the Mantis, and there was some firm ware that made it not work and Google and A.P.H. and maybe human ware fixed it. So that's what the Mantis -- if you're on the beta channel it's going to work. So what I'm going to do now is I'm going to close out. And I'm going to have a new tab open and I'll do a control tab and open up a new tab. And it says it should start in a few minutes. Great. Can you see my screen here? Yes/no? >> Kate: Yeah, we got you, Bruce. >> Cecilia: Yeah. >> Bruce: You got my screen? So what I am doing is unplugging the IPVO and what I do on the Mantis is that you always go to "terminal." and then you click "U.S.B." and then you click "braille display," when it says Braille display, you plug it in. And then it should start. So, to be honest, it didn't. And it says Braille display. Let's try that again. Turn that off. U.S.B., Braille display. Oh, plug in the right cable would help. I still had the IPVO. Okay. >> Cecilia: While Bruce is doing this -- >> Bruce: Okay -- so basically I have that going. The other thing that you need to do is to go into "settings," gee, I can't see my settings. So I'll do alt, shift, S, it brings up my settings. Then you need to go into the "gear." >> Settings, search settings. >> Bruce: Then you need to go into the device. >> Keyboard button -- >> Bruce: And then change the cap lock to "search." so with those two things, you have a really awesome Braille display with the Chromebook. Total honesty here -- well, partial honesty -- other Braille displays, aside from the Mantis, do not work very well. So if you are running a six key Braille display with ChromeVox, that doesn't work well. So the only one that work list with ChromeVox would be the Mantis. If I'm running, say, anything that is six key entry, it's still not very consistent. So I'm going to stop sharing. And I'm back, Cecilia, do you want me to show my drive now, or what would you like now? >> Cecilia: Sure. Bruce, there is a question that just came in. And I just saw this so I'm going to answer that. Marissa was asking if a student has a Braillenote Touch, would you recommend using that for the Braille display for the Chromebook or using a Mantis instead? And I started answering things and really it depends -- >> Bruce: Actually I'd say no. >> Cecilia: Right. I think so too. >> Bruce: So what it does when you are inputting with a Braille display other than the querty keyboard, if you type in the letter "C," sometimes you can get can and sometimes you won't. If you type in some other contraction, inputting with Braille contractions into a Chromebook is not consistent. And Cecilia and I have -- both of us have been upfront with Google about that. When you are Brailling stuff with a Braille display and you have typed in -- if you typed in enough, maybe you will get enough, maybe you won't. It's just not going to be functional for you. So the only Braille display that will be functional for you that is really awesome is the querty with the Mantis. Anything else that you can read and it's just not useful. Just to be honest about that part. >> Cecilia: And adding to it, would you recommend using the Braille display for the Chromebook and using Mantis -- and the other thing is the Mantis does not work really well when you have Bluetooth pairing. I could never make it work correctly. So I always use U.S.B. And in the notes we put down for you, if you are using this, just do U.S.B. I think that it's more efficient for the student not to worry about hearing it through blue tooth. So I would not do that and you should stick with what you have. And this is a good time if you have other questions. Any other questions? >> Kate: I want to say that it just came up in the chat as well, that, Cecilia, when you talk, Bruce -- we're getting the echo through your computer. Something happened when you changed your camera or whatever, that we're picking up Cecilia through you. So you get a bit of an echo. >> Cecilia: Okay, I'm going to mute. >> Bruce: Okay, so time to start showing drive. And what I'm going to do is to go to "share." >> Share button, list item. Share your entire screen. Dialogue. So I'm going to just go to a new tab. I just went to a new tab. And I'm going to hit the tab key three times. >> New tab, banner, images, Google apps. >> Bruce: Press "enter." >> 17 items, drive -- >> Bruce: I'm now in drive and I will push "enter." >> Google drive, Google drive. Search-based -- >> Bruce: Now the commands that we show you would also work with Jaws. These are just standard Google commands so if I wanted to did G.M., that will take me to "navigation." >> Three items, collapse -- >> Bruce: And then I can just go through a item. If I wanted to go over to "list," I can just do a G.L. That's going to make me over to "list." >> Row, navigation -- >> Bruce: If I wanted to go into, say, "history." I can hit "enter." and that takes me into a history. And then if I wanted to hit a G.P., that will just take me back. So these are just standard Google first letter commands. If I wanted to know them, I need to know all of these, I can do control, forward slash. That will bring up all of my keyboard shortcuts. So if I was using Jaws I would use these commands with a virtual cursor turned off. So now I think that is a quick discussion through drive. By the way, you make everything in drive -- create files in drive, and make everything in drive, and so if I wanted to create a new file, I can go the long way, like Cecilia was saying, and I will hit a C. And that brings up all of my files to navigate around. So, say, I wanted to get a Google doc and just hit a down arrow key. >> Link document... >> Bruce: And that's the long way. So the fast way would just be a shift T. >> Working... >> Bruce: And that brings up a Google drive. >> Untitled Google Doc. >> Bruce: So what I will do is quiet it and turn back over to Cecilia. >> Click to join -- >> Bruce: I'm tabbing through all of my stuff trying to tab through to get out of here. Okay, is that how I get back? and now I'm going to stop sharing. So the takeaway from this, as you are teaching the first letter of navigation commands, is that those are going to work across all operating systems. And I would really be learning all of the -- you already know the first letter, it begins with G. You just have to learn the second letter. Okay, so I'll turn it back to Cecilia. >> Cecilia: Okay, thank you, Bruce. So all of the directions -- all of the information that Bruce just talked about -- is in your handout. So it's on page 3, we listed more information for you. And then also at the bottom of page 3, there is a little bit of information on navigating the tab. When you saw on Bruce's computer, he had several tabs open. When you have several tabs open, you can do the "control 1, control plus a number" and you can open up those tabs one by one. So this is another way for the student to quickly listen to the tab to know how many are open. And so they don't need to go back a page and to, like, in Jaws, sometimes some of my students would always do the alt -- I think that it's alt left arrow or right arrow or something like that. It's a quick way to listen to the tabs and to be able to access it quickly. And then the last tab is always control 9, so that information is right there. And it works across all browsers, like Bruce is saying it will work when you have Jaws on a windows computer and so on. So with that, just to make sure that you play around with those commands. Bruce, do you want to show the video that you have on your -- >> Bruce: Yeah, you can queue it up and show that video, that would be fine. >> Cecilia: So Lowe or David, do you want to show it or you want me to show? >> I can show it. >> Cecilia: Thank you, David. >> Google drive, why use Google drive, use less keystrokes to create documents. Down arrow to the desired option. Enter. Note that C creates a new message in gmail. And new document, shift T. New folder, shift F. And new presentation, shift P. New spreadsheet, shift S. Tip navigate to the folder that you want to place a Google Doc file in and press shift T. I have my Google drive open, and I will be showing quite a few keystrokes. To learn all of the keystrokes relevant to a Google app, enter control, forward slash. I am in my Google drive with ChromeVox running. If I want to go to my drive I will hit gm. And it tells me this is a tree view. And I hit my right arrow. It brought up my tree view. To close my tree view I will hit my left arrow key. It should mention views. I'm in the list view. If your view looks different then you're in the grid view and that is not going to work very well. So hit the letter V and you should always be in the list view when running ChromeVox. We're getting close to the end, G, L -- >> Assistive tech, 2017 -- >> Bruce: And then if I want to go into that folder I will just push "enter." >> Loading. Working. >> Bruce: And equati suggestion, it's a word Doc if I wanted to change that into a Google Doc, I like the context menu. >> Equatio suggestion. Preview. Menu item. Open with menu item. With sub-menu two of 15. >> Bruce: Then I can open that up with a Google Doc. And also really neat I can open up P.D.F.s, and then turn it into a google Doc and O.C.R. it. And with quick commands I'll go back a level with G.P. >> Loading. >> Bruce: If you don't want to use G, P, you can use the left arrow back a web page button. So I think that is it for commands. And I went over G.n, and G.L. to the list view. And ChromeVox N is handy for this. So that will be it for this session. >> Cecilia: Okay, so what you saw on the video is from Bruce's website. And that is -- that web link is included in your resources on your handout. And that's the very last chunk of it. So let me see -- let me go to that website quickly and see if I can just show you where to find it. Did we lose Bruce for some reason? >> Kate: Yeah, it looks like we lost him. Hopefully he'll be able to get right back in. >> Cecilia: Okay, let me share my -- let me see what I can do -- sharing that -- all right. Let me go back to -- let me see where I am -- >> Kate: Cecilia, we're just seeing a black screen. >> Cecilia: Really? Sorry. Let me see what's goi on. >> You may want to stop your share and reshare. >> Cecilia: Right. I think he might still be doing that. That's okay, I'll talk about it. Okay, when you go to the Washington state school for the blind website, go to the state wide technology, that link will take you directly -- and then when you are on the page, make sure that you navigate down to the chunk that is highlighted in yellow. That is the chunk that Bruce had put all of his Chromebook resources there. And there is a link -- something about the YouTube videos. That's where you will find a number of his videos. We wanted to show you the drive information, because that is the part that I think that after you work through using the handout commands you might want to watch that video just to refresh your memory. I was watching it myself, and then trying to figure out if I had missed anything. And on page 2, in your notes, in your handout, there is the G. and G.L. and what he talks about. but one command that he mentioned in the notes is going back one level. And that's the command that you might want to go ahead and put back in your notes is the G.P. command. the Google and then go back one level is P. Okay? So that's something that if you want to go back to it. Well, Bruce or David, I mean -- Lowell, Bruce just called and I missed the call. And I wonder if he has trouble logging in. Can one of you take care of that? >> I'll try to contact him. >> Cecilia: Thank you. All right. So let me go ahead and to see if I can share -- let me see. On Google Docs, let me go to Docs and see if we can do something in there. Hang on one sec. And I'm going to share my screen and then go back -- all right. Quickly, can you see my Google Doc screen? >> Kate: Yes. >> Cecilia: Good. So what I will do is turn back on ChromeVox, but, however, there is something funky that I need to share with you. If you go to the page that says "google Docs" which is page 3. When you have Google Docs on like active, what you have on the screen, if you want to go to the chunk that says "useful commands" and all of that. The toggle echo options, here's the crazy thing -- if I turn ChromeVox on and then I toggle it, it doesn't really work. The only time that it will work is with the Braille display. When we had the Mantis on, then it would work correctly. Now the connect to Braille display in the settings, and all of that, we want you to go to "settings." let me just go to that and I don't have ChromeVox on so I'm going to just cheat and use my mouse. If you go to "settings," and if you go to "advanced." and that's where you will go to accessibility, and it's all in your notes. If you go to "accessibility," what you would want to do is to go to "manage accessibility features." >> Kate: We're not seeing what you're doing on the screen. >> Cecilia: You're not? Okay. Oh, because I'm not in the -- okay. Never mind. let me go to -- okay, Bruce, you're back. I was just telling them going through the toggle commands -- is your Mantis working? Because mine is not working. >> Bruce: I got way kicked out. So what they -- the really important thing that they need to know is Google builds all of the speech access around Braille. So turn on "braille." where she was going to show you. And even if you don't have a Braille display connected. >> Cecilia: Right. Because we have found that if you do that, it will work a little bit easier. And then definitely, the toggle command will work a lot better. As you would always be thinking, okay, I told it to do words only. How come I'm still hearing everything? And it will go away if you have a Braille display activated and all of that. So, Bruce, if -- >> Bruce: I can plug in my Braille display. >> Cecilia: Okay. It will work a lot better. So if you have that, even if you don't have a Braille display, go ahead and to turn the Braille display on. And, I mean, activate your display. And then in school definitely use the U.S.B. -- >> Bruce: Mantis is a thumb drive, which is cool. Because then you can use this with its native applications and then move them over to -- move them over to a windows, P.C. or a Chromebook. It says Braille display. Yep. So now I'm going to just plug it in and cross my fingers. And that's what you want to hear. >> Ready... >> Bruce: When you plug it in U.S.B., it should pop up and if it doesn't, it's not going to work. So I'm going to share my screen for a sec. >> Share button, list item -- >> Bruce: Let's go to desktop. >> Share display -- >> Bruce: And then share. >> Activate -- >> Bruce: What I'm going to do is -- let's see -- >> Sharing your zoom screen and share your screen. Share, share, screen, search menus. ChromeVox -- >> Bruce: Go over to tab. Okay. Let's see, let's do a "new tab," control T. And then I'm going to hit tab three times. >> Images, Google apps -- >> Bruce: And then "enter." >> List item. >> Bruce: And then hit tab to go to "drive." >> Google drive, Google drive. >> Bruce: Hopefully you are seeing my screen. And then I'm going to do a shift T. >> Working, dismiss, press search-based application -- >> Bruce: Some other things to be aware of in here, it said Braille support enabled. I have standard menus I can do alt, F. >> One of nine, expanded -- >> Bruce: Fairly soon in this you will want to teach the kids to re-name the file. So they don't get 20 files with their first name. >> Use search or left or right -- >> Bruce: And then I would want to re-name it. >> Menu item, one of -- download -- >> Bruce: By the way, I can use my Mantis too as I'm doing that. Re-name. >> Rename -- >> Bruce: And then the other thing that Cecilia will show in a sec, I will do alt, T, get out of that. Alt, T. >> Menu item -- >> Bruce: Hit an up arrow key to go to accessibility. And then in accessibility, you are always going to want to have screen reader support turned on and Braille support turned on. Even if you're in Jaws and all of that too. So tab... >> Turn on, learn more about screen magnifier support. >> Bruce: Oh, collaborator announcements. If a student sitting in a classroom and they're getting 30 collaborative announcements, you usually want to turn that off. So I'll hit "escape." the kids who have been so happy when I told them about that -- okay, escape -- and now I'll turn it back to Cecilia. >> Search menu, jump, speech, tab, menu -- >> Bruce: Back -- so I'll stop share. Okay. Oh, five minutes. Okay. >> Cecilia: Bruce, we have only five minutes and I was just telling them that the echo, the toggle echo items really works a lot better with Braille. >> Bruce: The other ones -- so, yeah. >> Cecilia: Yeah. So, anyway, I know that this -- we only have a few minutes before we have to go. I am wondering are there any questions or comments in chat? >> Kate: Nothing new at this point. >> Cecilia: Okay. All right. So pretty much everything that we showed you is on the handout. And play around with it and know that sometimes, like, on any computers that the Chromebook is no different. There are always two ways -- or more than two ways to do the same thing -- but it's important for students to learn to listen, because when -- when there is a screen reader on, it's important that they listen to the whole set of information. And then when they get more skillful with the screen reader, they can then learn the keyboard commands and do whatever they need to or to turn down some of the velocity, just like you can do in Jaws. But the important thing is that they know how to get help. And we feel that -- we gave you a lot of commands, and I know that search menu will give you a lot of information. And then there is also another one, and I forgot where I put it, but you can also see what the most commonly used commands are. So you can take a look at what the Chromebook is telling us, but there are so many commands. But as a teacher, you might want to take a look at it first, because students have to listen to a lot of information, and you might want to jump to the ones and select a few that they must know for teaching purposes. So they can get to things easily. So feel free to let us know if you have any comments or questions that we need to followthrough with, I think that we have listed our information on the handout and feel free to email one of us or both of us and we will get back to you with some answers and we will definitely check into the Spanish option. >> Bruce: You want me to open up the -- well isn't time to look at that. And one thing to be aware of is that the Mantis, with the Chromebook, is only currently working on the beta channels right now and it should be on the stable channel, maybe six, seven weeks. So if you are not on the beta, it's not going to work for you right now. >> Cecilia: And we know that there are Chromebooks more and more that are popping up in school districts. So hang on to that and do not be too frustrated when something does not work. Feel free to give us a call, or just email us and we will figure it out with you. It's a good device, and Google is trying to really to put more improvements in it each day. So, Kate, we'll pass it to you. >> Kate: Thank you so much to Cecilia and Bruce. We appreciate your time. And sharing. I have not yet dived into the world of the Chromebook. So this has been great. Thank you so much. All right, let me go ahead and to give you our closing code for today. And that is 050621. And I will put that in chat as well. So you got that. And I'm just in closing announcements, next week on may 10th, on Monday, our session will be with Marnaia, and we're doing collaborative sessions. And then on May 13th, a two-hour session with the western regional early intervention conference, "early intervention face-to-face and virtual," with Karen And that will start an hour earlier than normal. So 11:00 a.m. central time. You can find all of that information at our coffee hour website. So just one more time to get your C.E.U.s or professional development credit, you have the evaluation that is emailed to you, code 050621. And then that certificate will automatically generate. Please let us know as well in the evaluation if you would like to see coffee hour continue next year, and some topics requests that you have. We want to make sure that as we look at continuing