CHAT - TSBVI Coffee Hour: Negotiation Skills for the Educational Professional Ð 3-3-22 From Irene Geivett to Everyone: Sacramento Ca From Jane Harty to Host and Panelists: Good afternoon! Jane Harty, a TVI in Madison, Mississippi From Lauren Maness to Host and Panelists: Dallas! From Katherine Carroccio to Everyone: Maryland From Judy Alford to Host and Panelists: Johnson City TN From Gretchen Douglas to Everyone: Dripping Springs, tx From Kate Borg (she/her) to Everyone: Hi from Austin! ItÕs trying to pretend to be winter. From Sharon Duncan to Host and Panelists: Kia ra I am watching from New Zealand From Alicia Zermeno to Everyone: Sacramento, CA From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: Houston From Kimberly Carnegie to Host and Panelists: New Hampshire From Emily Coleman to Everyone: Good afternoon from TSBVI! From Alex Driver to Everyone: Lufkin Here! From linda brown to Everyone: New Caney, TX From Allison Hintz to Everyone: Orange County, CA From Lannette Burlingame to Everyone: Kilgore, TX From Jim Olson to Everyone: Colorado Springs, CO From Jon Lautenschlager to Everyone: Kyle, Texas From Kate Borg (she/her) to Everyone: TodayÕs handout: https://tsbvi.live/coffeehour From Zenobia Davison to Everyone: Mansfield, TX From Shawna Phillips to Everyone: Houston Tx From Kate Borg (she/her) to Everyone: TodayÕs handout: https://tsbvi.live/coffeehour From Sara Kitchen to Everyone: Education is all about working together. From Kaycee Bennett to Everyone: Obtaining "buy-in" for the things we know our students need. From Katherine Carroccio to Everyone: determining the core skills my student needs to learn From Sara Kitchen to Everyone: How can anyone work together without negotiation? From Emily Coleman to Everyone: Not everyone has shared beliefs and ideasâ so negotiation is necessary. From Lannette Burlingame to Everyone: As an itinerant, negotiation happens all the time in collaboration efforts. From Jane Harty to Everyone: As the vision professional at the IEP table, I negotiate on behalf of what the student needs. From Kimberly Carnegie to Everyone: scheduling - when can this fit into a studentÕs day and how will the student get to where learning is most impactful? From Victoria Hinkle to Everyone: Sometimes parents/students need to be negotiated into learning and participating in their own learning From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: Getting parents to buy in to some lessons requires negotiating From Emily Coleman to Everyone: Yep From Amanda Fierro to Everyone: Yes From Kate Borg (she/her) to Everyone: Yes From Jill Smith to Everyone: yes From Kaycee Bennett to Everyone: Many, many times! From Chrissy cowan to Everyone: It's a big part of the itinerant job! From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: yes From julianna purner to Host and Panelists: What is a dm unit? From Emily Coleman to Everyone: YES!!!! From Kaycee Bennett to Everyone: If you're unfamiliar with a DM unit, it's the new technology of FM systems. It's a device that reduces signal to noise ratio, often used for students with hearing loss. From Sara Kitchen to Everyone: Thanks Kaycee! From Debbie Branecky to Everyone: Is there a handout for this session? I came in late From Kaycee Bennett to Everyone: TodayÕs handout: https://tsbvi.live/coffeehour From Erin Weaver to Everyone: What a profounding statement! I love it!! Thank you for sharing that clip. From Gretchen Douglas to Everyone: oj From Allison Hintz to Everyone: to drink orange juice From Emily Coleman to Everyone: To make orange juice From Jane Harty to Everyone: Drink OJ From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: oj From Shawna Phillips to Everyone: wanted oj From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: cake From Jim Olson to Everyone: The orange peel From Lannette Burlingame to Everyone: Orange zest From Kimberly Carnegie to Everyone: use the rind From Jane Harty to Everyone: Accentuate her cake w/ orange flavor zest From Shawna Phillips to Everyone: she wanted the peel for her cake From Allison Hintz to Everyone: waste From Emily Coleman to Everyone: Loss loss or compromise From Jill Smith to Everyone: lose lose From Kimberly Carnegie to Everyone: lose - lose From Jane Harty to Everyone: Lose lose From Emily Coleman to Everyone: They were not curious From Allison Hintz to Everyone: unsatisfied? From Jill Smith to Everyone: not enough conversation From Edgenie Bellah to Everyone: I want... From Shawna Phillips to Everyone: they weren't willing to hear one another From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: I want ….. From Jane Harty to Everyone: I need the orange From Linda Jordan to Everyone: didn't look beyond own want From Jane Harty to Everyone: I want the orange From Jill Smith to Everyone: mine, mine From Kimberly Carnegie to Everyone: I want the orange and you want it, so we will have to share it. From Jane Harty to Everyone: Not curious. Self seeking From Emily Coleman to Everyone: As siblings, frankly IÕm shocked they compromised at all From Allison Hintz to Everyone: haha From Edgenie Bellah to Everyone: It was probably Mom who cut the orange in half! From Gretchen Douglas to Everyone: No, From Jane Harty to Everyone: positions and interests arenÕt the same thing. From Edgenie Bellah to Everyone: No. From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: Not From Kimberly Carnegie to Everyone: one may have a power differential while interests could be based on lack of power From Emily Coleman to Everyone: You could have different positions and the same interests From Amanda Fierro to Everyone: Not necessarily. Without discussing interests, it may be easy to hold misinformed positions. From Edgenie Bellah to Everyone: Positions tend to be the "what" and interests tend to be the "why" From Gretchen Douglas to Everyone: position is the initial reaction, interest is behind From Amy Faught to Everyone: for better understanding From Jill Smith to Everyone: understanding motivation From Gretchen Douglas to Everyone: To discover each others true interest From Jane Harty to Everyone: The outcome could be in oneÕs favor instead of not From Kaycee Bennett to Everyone: There could have been an easy solution, but they didn't know what each other really wanted. From Allison Hintz to Everyone: so you know what everyone's true needs are From Emily Coleman to Everyone: To avoid snap judgements and assuming intent From Yolanda Shaw to Everyone: To hear each others goals. From Lannette Burlingame to Everyone: No...people shut down From Emily Coleman to Everyone: No because conflict is hard From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: Some walk away From julianna purner to Everyone: No because they may not have the skills to communicate From Kaycee Bennett to Everyone: No. Emotions can make it hard to think clearly. From Jane Harty to Everyone: Either fight or flight. IÕm flight. From Cyral Miller to Everyone: Many people RUN away from conflict From Chrissy cowan to Everyone: Sometime the "other person" is having a really bad day, or involved in a distressing personal situation From Chrissy cowan to Everyone: In one situation, I ended up consulting with the school principal. From Emily Coleman to Everyone: Yes. When thinking about student advocacyâ we often think itÕs us against them but itÕs often the same interest (students) and different positions for reasons we donÕt know From Chrissy cowan to Everyone: The teacher was refusing to move a student with low vision in a wheelchair closer to the board because she would be "in the way" From Chrissy cowan to Everyone: The principal talked with her! From Chrissy cowan to Everyone: I tried! The principal said she was basically a person who did not negotiate well. From Chrissy cowan to Everyone: She left the school that year. From Gretchen Douglas to Everyone: Currently negotiating use of calendars, having to start at one or two symbols in routines that I develop, modeling, etc... getting a little more buy in for more as they become comfortable From julianna purner to Everyone: yes From Kaycee Bennett to Everyone: yes. Classroom teachers in hard situations. From julianna purner to Everyone: No because I didnÕt feel heard From Kaycee Bennett to Everyone: No From Kaycee Bennett to Everyone: No. Only helped the teacher From Chrissy cowan to Everyone: Now that's a good question! From CLARISSA JONES-EDWARDS to Everyone: no From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: A lot of time From Sara Kitchen to Everyone: When one loses it seems like everyone loses. From Shawna Phillips to Everyone: Yes. From Emily Coleman to Everyone: Yes…can destroy relationships From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: Especially with regard to a student From Kimberly Carnegie to Everyone: I sent a lot of emails with explanations of how the services could help the student and included the parent. From Shawna Phillips to Everyone: It was related to an FM system too. The disagreement was with a veteran teacher and we could not seem agree. From Sara Kitchen to Everyone: When I was the winner I also felt like a jerk. From Erin Weaver to Everyone: I have an 8th grade student which requires 72 minute/day of braille instruction. After discussing scheduling options with the teachers and emailing them the agreed upon rotating schedule (Vision Services - 8:00 am Monday, 9:00 am Tuesday, 10:00 Wednesday) one of the teachers walked in during braille instruction and demanded the student return to her class immediately and this schedule would not work for her. Long story short, I was forbidden to take the student out of any classes for braille instruction. The school then determined to pull the student from Life Skills course and replace it with braille instruction. I provided ECC information and research. Bottom line, they were not willing to hear or compromise. From Erin Weaver to Everyone: I definitely feel unheard in this situation. I also feel they not discuss this with the student and he is crushed that they did this to him. From Debbie Branecky to Everyone: I have a parent requesting for student to go to TSBVI because he needs intense braille and O&M instruction. District is saying he does not need to go they can meet his needs here in the district. From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: Are parents will to be involved? From Erin Weaver to Everyone: He went 2 weeks without braille instruction. That was the outcome of the meeting this past Thursday. From Erin Weaver to Everyone: No in person From Erin Weaver to Everyone: Yes, the Special Education Director From Erin Weaver to Everyone: Yes, but the school staff focused on how long they had been teaching and how they had never been in a situation such as this before. From Kimberly Carnegie to Everyone: I hear very similar stories regularly, unfortunately. Sorry, Erin! From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: Does the staff understand the legality of the IEP? From Erin Weaver to Everyone: Yes, they directly stated that Core subjects are important. Life Skills are not important, and braille instruction is not as important as the Core courses. From Erin Weaver to Everyone: Yes From Erin Weaver to Everyone: Yes, that is exactly what I have repeated. From Erin Weaver to Everyone: But they will not allow me the opportunity to explain. From Erin Weaver to Everyone: Yes, I have asked again for time to educate the staff on Vision services. From Jane Harty to Host and Panelists: Panelists - is there any way for me to save the chat? From Kaycee Bennett to Jane Harty, Host and Panelists: Chat will be saved and posted with the video, transcript, and handout. From Jane Harty to Host and Panelists: @Kaycee - thank you From Jane Harty to Everyone: What strategies can I use to calm myself when in a stressful meeting situation? From Jane Harty to Everyone: 😊 From Kimberly Carnegie to Everyone: Good advice to separate yourself from the emotion From Emily Coleman to Everyone: I really like that! From Shawna Phillips to Everyone: That is one of the positives of wearing masks. From Debra Fournier-Pursel to Everyone: Body language speaks louder than oral words at times From Chrissy cowan to Everyone: What should you do when the person is in violation of the law? From Sharon Duncan to Host and Panelists: Stay curious - not furious From Chrissy cowan to Everyone: I'm thinking of a situation in which a teacher was using restraints on a blind student. From Sara Kitchen to Everyone: Thanks Marina! From Erin Weaver to Everyone: Thank you so very much!!!