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Empowering Independence - Teaching Students to Use AI Tools for Creating and Verifying Routes in Orientation and Mobility
3-9-26

>>Shannah: The presentation today is empowering independence, teaching student to use various AI tools for quoting and checking routes in orientation and mobility. And just to give you a little bit of background where this came from, I hadn't done a whole lot of AI, but, you know, I use my GoogleMaps for everything and I thought about it and I was like, wow, what a great teaching resource this could be for our O&M students so that they could start creating routes for themselves and then we could go alongside them and make sure that they are able to do them. And I'll say this several times throughout the presentation, but just please remember that any time you use an AI tool, a big piece is to make sure that to trust, but verify, and just make sure that the information that you're getting is correct because there are times when things are wrong. Prime example for GoogleMaps is just yesterday we went to eat lunch and there were four or five of us and it took a very strange route. Just make sure before you are taking the route with your student that you've looked at that. So orientation and mobility instruction supports independent travel for students with visual impairments. Various AI platforms can serve as digital tools to help students plan routes, check directions and review bus and train schedules. Why AI for O&M? It provides instant text-based guidance, it's accessible with screen readers, it includes student independence and can double-check routes and safety tips. Using AI platforms for route planning, students can compare multiple AI tools for accuracy and accessibility, use AI to draft routes and then verify with real world tools and encourage critical thinking and safety checks. So some different platforms that you can use, Microsoft copilot, they create step-by-step directions and summaries. It integrates with Word, PowerPoint and Edge and helpful with supports. Google Gemini works with GoogleMaps and search. It is useful for identifying nearby landmarks and businesses. And Microsoft Claude provides clear explanations, breaks directions into smaller steps and is helpful for younger students or simplified language needs. Voice assistants for travel. Siri or Google Assistant provide hands-free navigation, real-time auditory prompts while walking and it supports students who rely on auditory access. It's very similar to what we use as far as GoogleMaps and other things when we're driving in the car. This just gives a different tool for our kids that may not be able to drive. Again, safety reminders when using AI. AI tools may be incorrect or outdated. Always verify crossings, sidewalks and hazards. And practice with an instructor before independent travel, use multiple sources to confirm routes. So for creating walking routes, students can request step-by-step walking directions, directions can be simplified for clarity. For an example, give me walking directions from school to the library. It can break down instructions into manageable steps. Checking routes for safety. Students can ask AI to confirm crossing locations, suggest safer alternatives, and verify walking distance and time travel. When you're using AI for platforms for bus routes, the student can request bus stop locations nearby, which bus to take to reach a destination, time schedules and frequency, and an example might be what bus goes from main street to the mall. Using AI platforms for train routes, students can ask for train station locations, check connections and transfers, verify time travel and delays. How can I get from union station to Central Park by train? You can ask very specific instructions. Teaching strategies: Model how to phrase effective prompts, practice route planning in real scenarios, combine various AI platforms with maps and tactile tools, reinforce checking multiple sources for accuracy. The benefits for students. It builds independence and travel planning, strengthens technology and problem-solving skills, encourages self-advocacy and provides accessible and instant route verification. So what is our role in the teaching the AI use? Again, you teach the students how to phrase clear and specific prompts. That's something that I've really had to work on myself because if you're not asking the right question, you're not going to get the right answer. Model how to request walking, bus and train routes. So I live in a pretty rural area and that isn't something that I'm accustomed to doing so much with my students just because of how far we live from the city, but this is a great way to teach them how to do those things even if you're not actually doing it in real-time, you can start here and then you can also create a session where you could go to the city and do these things. You can guide students in verifying information with real world tools, encourage safe decision making when interpreting AI responses. So sometimes when you make mistakes, that's a great way for them to learn. If you look at a couple of different tools and things are different, then you use those to model why it's important to use more than one thing to do things. And then integrating ChatGPT practice into regular O&M lessons. So sample prompts for students, give me walking directions from my school to the park using safe controllingings. What bus do I take from main street to the library and what time does it come? Show me a step-by-step train route from Union Station to the airport? Check in my walking route has sidewalks and crosswalks and what is the fastest way to get from my house to the grocery store by bus? Another prompt could be that you wanted to avoid roundabouts or some other things that are a little problematic for our students. So I'm going to stop my share for just a second and I'm going to share a different screen. Here's an example with Gemini. I'm going to ask for walking directions. From Olive Garden and Alliance Town Center -- Olive Garden in Alliance Town Center to H.E.B. So I will show you what it looks like when it comes up on Gemini. So it tells you it takes about 21 minutes to walk from Olive Garden to H.E.B. in Alliance Town Center. The route is approximately .9 of a mile long and primarily follows Feather Grass Lane. You can view the full walking route and step-by-step trucks instructions on GoogleMaps. So you can see here's where you start at Olive Garden and it takes you and shows you the direct route. And if you click here, you can hit preview and it gives you very specific step-by-step instructions on how to do that. And it gives you pictures as you go along as well. It shows you here where you are and then it shows you here what the street looks like. So this is a place that's not far from where I live. So here's this. The next step is you're going to turn to the right and then you're going to go over here and it shows you here the direction that you're going to turn as well. So I'm going to do the same thing on ChatGPT so you can see the difference. 

>>Belinda: We have a comment from Melissa that GoogleMaps also has live view in some areas, and it can vibrate to indicate turns. 

>>Shannah: So that's a great tip to have so our students know exactly when they're supposed to turn. I like Gemini better for this than I do ChatGPT because you have those pictures. And again, the other pieces that are part of it where it indicates when you're supposed to turn, just like if you're using GoogleMaps for your -- because Gemini is built with GoogleMaps, so it will also tell you turn right here just like it does if you're in the car. If you're doing it on ChatGPT it gives you the specific instructions here, but it doesn't -- it's written instructions that you can use a screen reader with, but it does not give you the map overview. So I'm going to go back to my PowerPoint. Does somebody have a route that they would like for me to show you before I move on to the next slide? So the next one is a bus stop from the Clearfork Shops to the Stockyards in Fort Worth. So let me stop. And I'm going to show Gemini just because I like the way that it works a little better than I do ChatGPT. So I need a bus route from Clearfork Shops in Fort Worth to the stockyards. Okay. So if you look here, it tells you the best route, the most efficient way to make this trip is by combining route 2 camp Bowie with the orange line. So leg 1 is Clearfork to downtown. You board Trinity metro route 2 at the stop near Clearfork, typically along Edwards ranch road or nearby Hulen street. You're going to exit at the Fort Worth central station in downtown, and then every 15 minutes during peak times, daytime hours and every 30 minutes in the evenings and early mornings is whenever that route runs. Leg 2 is downtown to the Stockyards. You're going to transfer at the central station, board the orange line, which is northbound, and you're going to exit at Main and Exchange. This puts you right in the heart of the Stockyards. And this route runs every 20 minutes daily. So it also says if you're closer to the university park side of Clearfork you can take route 53, University, you take it northbound, transfer at seventh and Carroll, or continue to central station. You switch to the orange line to finish the trip. Route 53 generally runs every 60 minutes, so route 2 is usually the faster option. And it even gives you travel tips with the fair. A local day pass is four dollars, which covers all bus and train transfers for the entire day. A single ride is two dollars. Payment, the easiest way to pay is via gopass app, though you can also use exact cash on the bus. And your total travel time takes between 50 and 70 minutes depending on your transfer timing. And then it asks would you like for me to look up the specific departure time for today?. And I'm going to tell it yes. And it tells you what day it is. It says since it's Monday, March 9th, Trinity metro is operating on its weekday schedule. Here are the specific departure details for the route 2 and orange connection you'll need. So it says the departures for downtown inbound, 3:12, 3:27, 3:42, 3:57. Continues every 15 minutes until approximately 6:30. You're going to transfer to the orange line and it runs every 20 minutes, and it gives you that schedule. It's 3:40, 4:00, 4:40, 5:00. If you catch the 3:27 route 2 bus you'll arrive at the central station at 3:53 p.m., giving you a perfect seven-minute window to match the 4:00 orange line. And again it gives you the fare information and how to pay for that. So as the O&M, I would typically have the student look that up, I would probably go run the route myself and then we would talk about a few different things. You know, there's so many different things that you can incorporate into this lesson as far as expanding core is determined, self-determination, daily living skills with money management and some other things, knowing how to use the app on your phone or knowing how to have exact change if you need it for being on the bus. So there's so many different options that you can take. This just gives you a good example of what you can do and different aspects of what you're doing. So I'm going to do something a little different. I'm going to move over to ChatGPT and I'm going to do a train route now. And I'll show you the difference -- sorry, Belinda. 

>>Belinda: We had a question from Melissa. Could you put on the bus website, like upload the bus schedule and tell it what time you want to arrive and see if it can do that in one step? 

>>Shannah: Okay. Let me go back to Gemini. 

>>Belinda: Then there's a Part 2 that says I think GoogleMaps does a lot of that in the apps, so what is the advantage of using AI in this scenario? 

>>Shannah: The advantage of using AI is in GoogleMaps it's real-time, but AI gives them the opportunity to kind of play with it. You can do it in both formats, it just is a little bit different place to do it. So tell me the question again, can you give me the bus schedule? 

>>Belinda: Yeah. Could you upload the bus schedule and tell it what time you want to arrive? So whatever your bus is called in Fort Worth, and tell it what time you want to arrive and see if it can give you the route in one step? Maybe you can link it to the bus web page. 

>>Shannah: So there's the Trinity metro route. Plan your trip. So -- in my mind it almost gives that to you in the steps that I was telling you, but it depends on if you're riding the bus foreit's going to take you on the train as well. Okay. So we're going to do Clearfork shops, so there's -- there's Rebel's hot chicken at the shops at Clearfork. And I'm going to put the Stockyards. And then -- to me it looks like it already gives you that information because it tells you very specifically through Gemini if you look, I'll pull -- I think I had Gemini still up. Sorry, my top screen is kind of getting in the way of me trying to -- so it tells you, you know, if you look at the route, I don't know if you can see, but whenever I was telling you, it gives you very specific times that the train leaves from that route. Because it says that -- you know, it arrives at 3:12. So if I wanted to say, I guess, the difference would be when could I -- if I arrive at 5:20, what would my route look like? Okay. So if you want to get to where your destination is, but I want to leave Clearfork at 5:20, so that's another thing. It's not that I want to be at my destination at 5:20, I'm going to -- that's where knowing those specific instructions. And to me that's the difference too, if you're doing this, it depends on if you've got a student that needs a screen reader versus Braille or that has some vision because if they can look at this and tell that I asked the wrong -- not that I asked the wrong question, but Gemini didn't exactly understand. They thought I wanted to arrive in the Stockyards at 5:20, but really my goal was to be there at 5:20 and leave from Clearfork to get to the Stockyards. So since the route runs every 15 minutes, it says to get on the 5:18, to get on the bus at 5:18 and arrive at central station at 5:38. Transfer at 5:45. And the other thing is it gives you pretty specific time frames. So here the student knows, okay, I have eight minutes to get, you know, from this -- not even eight minutes. Just a very short window to get from the central station to transfer to the orange line. And then at 6:10 is when I would arrive. Does that answer your question? 

>>Belinda: I think what it's doing is it's automatically accessing those bus schedules for you, right? You don't even have to look at the schedule or upload it. It's doing it for you. 

>>Shannah: Correct. 

>>Belinda: And then there was a question, how do you get it to give the pictures of the route? That was when you selected preview, right, and it gave the pictures along the way? In Google? 

>>Shannah: That was for the walking route. So I think if you ask it will -- we'll see if it... so this just gives you kind of very specific leg by leg visual breakdown. It says you'll pass the museum district and the will Rogers memorial center, and it tells you those specific things. Let me look. So I asked if I could see this specific area as you're talking about. And with pictures. And it gives an actual description so it says your starting point, since the shops at Clearfork are tucked away from the main bus lines you'll like lib take a quick ride share or five-minute break ride to this intersection. It's a classic intersection with classic red-brick paved sections. So it doesn't actually on the bus route give you very specifics. So I'm going to say can you give me a ride share example. So that's another thing. If you're doing ride share, sometimes we want to teach our kids this is what another safe way that you can do that and it makes sure that they're going the right direction that they should be. It tells the time for the ride share. And then visualizing the ride. And it even tells them to pin your location specifically at landmark like pinstripes or AMC Clearfork. Wait inside until the app says the driver is two minutes away. At 5:20 there are usually plenty of drivers circling the area so your wait time should only be four to seven minutes. Then it asks if you want to look at road closures. And I can ask for a walking route, but it's going to be a long walking route. Like several hours, but I think it may show you what you are asking me for. It says it takes -- it gives you the very specifics. And then I can ask -- I think you have to ask if you want to see it on GoogleMaps. And it starts with the transit route, then the walking route, and it tells you what to look for. You know, the Campbell arts museum, the central station, clock tower, the Fort Worth Stockyards and it will tell you how do you open it in your phone right now. So you can do that as well, but you can also go over to GoogleMaps and open another window. 

>>Belinda: That is so impressive. And you have some questions. 

>>Shannah: I'm going to open the bus routes. So if you're doing GoogleMaps you can see that this shows the best travel moans. It shows if you're driving it takes 16 minutes, so this is what the driving route looks like, and that's just the map piece. If you do the bus, it's going to show you those pieces, and it tells you like there's the Tex rail and it gives you several different options on GoogleMaps. And I've mainly done the Gemini with walking maps instead of other things. It does give you those other options, but if you click here on the satellite view it can layer it for you. So you can do it a couple of different ways. Of course on GoogleMaps there are all sorts of things you can do on there, where there's other places to stop. It gives you like very specifics, so like if you're going to do this, it tells you when to turn right and if you look at this it tells you to take the stairs. So there's different things that it very specifically tells you to do while you're on that route. But go ahead and ask the other questions, Belinda. 

>>Belinda: Okay. So Bryan is asking how does the platform do when planning a route for a preset time, like a doctor's appointment at 10:00? And planning the route ahead of that time. So like you're planning it the day before, the week before. So you want to arrive by instead of leave by. 

>>Shannah: Okay. Let me I want to arrive at -- I'm going to put the Fort Worth Stockyards again. And I'm going to put March 10th. By 2:00 p.m. And am leaving from Clearfork. In the prompt I put "I want to arrive at the Fort Worth Stockyards on March 10 by 2:00 p.m. and am leaving from Clearfork shops. I want to take a bus route." And I'm asking what do I need to do? And this is where the teaching comes in for the students sometimes. It's just like asking Google for questions that, you know, various questions. Because you have to know how to ask specifically, and if the student asks the wrong way, then it's not going to give them the result that they want. So that's why it's important to practice ahead of time too because if you say that -- if you don't say you want to arrive by 2:00 p.m., then that's going to change your bus time significantly. So it says to arrive at the Fort Worth Stockyards by 2:00 p.m. tomorrow, Tuesday, March 10th, 2026. You will need to start your journey around 12:45 p.m. Since the shops at Clearfork are not directly on a major bus line, your best bet is to take a quick five-minute ride share to the high frequency route 2 stop on camp Bowie boulevard. So then at that point my question is would you ask your student which would be the better option for you? Would you be better off taking the ride share or would you be better off riding the bus? And it depends on then you start talking about different factors. Physically can you afford to ride the ride share. Is there a shared ride service that you have? And I'll show you in just a second the Trinity Metro has a shared ride service in Fort Worth now so it's less expensive if you have like a medical need. And so you can do that instead. And then it just tells you, like, to board route 2 inbound on camp Bowie and Hulen, arrive at the downtown hub at that central station. Transfer to the orange line and then you would arrive at the Stockyards at 1:50. And I'm going to ask is there a rideshare option from Trinity Metro. So Trinity metro is here provides -- it's public transit, but it works like Uber or Lyft. So it depends. I live like at the end of my block it's the Fort Worth city limits, but Trinity Metro would not come to my house. They might come to the Walmart that's close to me so I might have to walk to the Walmart to get there. So it just says -- it gives them very specific ways to do that. It says yes, Trinity metro offers an on demand ride share service called Trinity metro on demand, formerly tone as sip zone. It works very much like Uber other Lyft but is integrated into public transit system. Here is how you can use for your trip tomorrow. Instead of walking or taking a traditional Uber to the bus stop, you can book a corner to corner ride through the go pass app or dedicated Trinity metro on demand app. It's two dollars per person or the day pass is four dollars. And it says it's a branded vehicle, usually black or silver with the Trinity metro logo. Availability, since you are leaving at 12:45 on Tuesday, the service will be fully active. The best way to combine the services, the shops at Clearfork are located near the boundary of the southside and westside service areas. You can use on demand to bridge the gap to the main bus lines. Your recommended hybrid route would be to request a ride, use the app to request an on demand pickup directly from the shops at Clearfork, set your destination at Fort Worth central station, some on demand zones allow you to go straight to the hub. If your doesn't have it drop you at route 2 bus stop on camp Bowie and then finish from central station hop on the orange line straight to the Stockyards. So you get to skip a couple of steps, if you take the Trinity metro on demand. But it's really IFHE if they pick you up. The way Fort Worth works is it intertwines with so many cities. I know out in Kennedale out of Fort Worth, like near Arlington, at the end of one street you can get on the radio rideshare, but if you ask it to come in further it won't come that far. So sometimes you have to walk a little further. And then it says pro tips for success. Unlike Uber, these are shared rides. Give yourself an extra 15-minute buffer in case the driver is picking up another passenger nearby. And then they say to download the go pass app. And then it also asks if you want to walk -- if they want you to walk through how to set up the go pass app so you're ready to go tomorrow morning. So then your steps are already covered for the next day. Did that answer the question that was asked? 

>>Belinda: I think it did. I think you also answered Part 2 of his question. It was about breaking down each route by the mode that you use or if you provide the prompt, give me options, does it give you accurate feedback. So it looks like it will include various modes and the prompt, whatever is available to connect the gaps in transportation. And then do you feel like it's pretty accurate. 

>>Shannah: For the most part, I do. I feel like it gives you -- you know, that is one thing that it does integrate, the Trinity metro map here. Like I said, though, when you're using any kind of AI platform, even if you're using GoogleMaps, it can be wrong. Because like yesterday when we went to that restaurant, it tried to put us in the FAA parking lot close to the restaurant we were going, and then was going have us walk probably half a mile or more. So if you're not familiar with the area, you know, that's a problem. That's one reason, too, I always encourage COMS to scout out routes. So before I even started this lesson with my student, I would probably have done all of the research and done a couple of different things and then gone out and walked and ridden the route myself. Because I don't want to get into a situation where I'm at a place that's not a safe walking route. In Fort Worth we have lots of roundabouts, and Alicia and Amanda and I, probably about six-months ago, there was a person that needed to do a route and it had probably three or four roundabouts to get from the person's house to like a shopping center with some movies and stuff. I'm like, y'all, I really just feel like this is not a safe walking route for this person. So we -- or the walking route was -- the route we told them to take was much longer than using the roundabouts. But you just have to do what you feel is safe for your student. Because I have students that I think are safer on roundabouts, but then you also have to take into account electric cars. You know, I would always prefer to do a lighted intersection with my student than something that's like a roundabout that's not lighted, for that piece alone. It just depends on what you're comfortable with and what your students are comfortable with. But again, asking the right questions, you know, you have to almost teach the kids how to do that prompt, or if you've got adults, how to prompt properly so you can make your -- the best option. So I can ask the question too: What mode of transportation would be best? And my guess is going to tell us it's a rideshare. It says the hybrid transit route is the best. So because of that Trinity metro on demand, it's a cheap Uber is what they call it. But you have to take into account -- I don't know what it's like in other cities, but it's a true rideshare where Lyft will just pick you up and just you if you want it to, but with this you know that there's going to be other people in the vehicle with you. I think in Austin it's a little more like that probably. You know, I don't think -- I'm from Wichita Falls so it's a pretty small place. So even trying to get a bus route early morning or evening is difficult. And something like this I don't think is -- I'm not aware if there's something like this available there. 

>>Belinda: We do have another question. So have you noticed AI learning about student preferences? Like recognizing commonplaces, routes or information that's helpful for the student? So there are students learning, but do you also see AI learning about their preferences? 

>>Shannah: I haven't done this as much because I don't have a ton of academic students at the moment, but I know when I use it not necessarily for this, but when I use AI for other things, I do see that it learns like my preferences whenever I'm asking it to do things, for sure. Just like route option, I can tell you personally from GoogleMaps, there's two ways I can get to one of the campuses that I'm going to, and it's probably about 20 Miles from my house. And it knows that I would prefer -- I don't know that it's always that I prefer, but sometimes I will take a business -- like business 287 versus 287 to 820. So then it will automatically route me that way, and if I want to do it differently, I choose to. But I think since I've done the business road instead of the actual freeway, that's why GoogleMaps tends to send me that direction instead. If that makes sense. 

>>Belinda: It does. I think I see that myself in using GoogleMaps and recognizing where I've gone. 

>>Shannah: So I'll show you a way that you can do a train map as well. So I'm going to put the Texas State fair from American Airlines Center. So my prompt is I want to go to the Texas State fair from American Airlines Center. Can you give me route options to get there? So it says since you are starting at the American Airlines Center, victory station, because there's a specific station, you're in luck. This is one of the easiest transfers in the entire dart system. The most direct way to get from fair park to AAC is to take the green line southbound, board at victory station, look for trains labeled Buckner or fair park. Exit fair park station. It will drop you right in front of the gates on periavenue and the route takes 10 to 15 minutes. It tells you during state fair time from September 25th to October 18th, the the line runs every 10 to 15 minutes. So the alternate route is the orange line, which is a special service. It says that the orange line usually heads towards downtown or Plano using the state fair dart often runs orange event special orange line trains that go from victory park to the State Park gates. And it says to check the sign, if the digital header on the train says fair park or special, you can hop on without needing to transfer. And it says the local day pass is six dollars. So this is different because this is in the Dallas area, not the Fort Worth area. So it says -- it says save on admission. In years pass the go pass app offered a discount code for fair admission if you bought your transit pass through the app. And it's worth checking the promos. And to check crowds. If you're heading to a big event like the Red River showdown, victory station will be extremely on crowded. Try to arrive at least 30 minutes earlier than you think you need to. So that gives you some information. I'm going to ask what if I want to attend a Stars game and I'm coming from Fort Worth? And I'm just using the area that I -- that I live in to give you an example of what you can do. I live in Fort Worth, but you can take the train into Dallas. So it says if you're heading from Fort Worth to see the Dallas stars play at the American Airlines Center you have the absolute best transit setup in North Texas. The Trinity railway express drops you off literally at the steps of the arena entrance. The Stars play at home tomorrow at 7:00 p.m., and it says the star line route, Trinity railway express connects downtown Fort Worth directly to the AAC. So you start at the Fort Worth central station and then go straight from there to victory station. And it's $12 to get there. And it tells you if the game time is at 7:00, the early bird, it departs at 5:13 and arrives at 6:11. The just in time leaves at 5:43 and arrives at 6:41. So the biggest worry for Fort Worth fans is making the last train back, and that's one reason we haven't done the metro as a family is because if you don't get there on time then you're not going to have a ride back and you will have to figure something else out. The 20-plus rule for all stars home games starting after six on Monday through Saturday, on west bound train to Fort Worth will depart exactly 20 minutes after the game ends. So that gives you a good idea of how specific you can be about something too. Are there more questions, Belinda? 

>>Belinda: Yeah, I feel like that's amazing, such specific, detailed information. It's really great. I was just going to give you a head's up, you have about five minutes left. 

>>Shannah: Okay. Does anybody else have any specific questions for me? One other thing that you can do with this while y'all are maybe asking questions is like even if you're at the airport and your student, like maybe they had a change in their gate. So you could be at the DFW airport and if they did a gate change, they can give you specific instructions on how to get to the new gate from that gate as well. So like at DFW, I'm at gate 15 and need to get to gate 30. It says your gates are A15 to A30, C15 to C30 or D15 to D30. You're in a very large terminal. Look at the escalators and it tells you to get on the skylink train. Look for the escalators labeled skylink near your current gate. Which direction. All terminals have two skylink station, one at each end. Since you are at gate 15 you want the train headed toward the higher number numbered gates. Time itself is two minutes, but walking to and from the station wills take another five to 10 minutes. If you are at different terminals, you are at gate 15 and you need to get to gate C30, the only way, you must use the sky link. So it's a bunch of semi circles, it says, and the sky link runs in two loops, clockwise and counterclockwise on the inside of the security perimeter. It takes a maximum of nine minutes to get between any two points at DFW via skylink. Maybe you have a student who is going to travel independently and you want them to know what to do in case of an emergency at a large airport. DFW is one of the largest. Just them knowing that they can ask Gemini or GoogleMaps or ChatGPT to help them, also teach them to ask other people for help, especially like people that work for the airline. But for me, I don't mind asking other people, but my children don't always like to ask for help. So for them if I could tell them just ask your phone or they could even text me and I could say here you go, and send it directly to them, that makes it pretty easy sometimes. You hope your kids advocate for themselves, but sometimes kids don't always like to do that. Are there any other questions, Belinda? 

>>Belinda: Not yet. I will rely an earlier comment from Ricky Lynne. It's amazing that it even tells you how much of a walking route is shaded. That's when you were looking at the route like along the Trinity River. That's a big help to consider in the summer too when you're thinking about the heat. 

>>Shannah: For sure. For some of our clients or students, you know, they don't have an option except for to take the bus or to walk. And you know, or to pay for a rideshare, but rideshare gets expensive. You know, I know that I will say I feel like rideshare has opened up so much for our students because like I said, I'm from Wichita Falls, and if you needed to ride the bus and get somewhere after about 6:00 or 7:00 in the evening, you just weren't going to get to go unless you asked a friend or family member to take you. And now with Lyft or Uber, that's definitely an option. And just with parking alone too, sometimes for some of us it's so much easier to take a Lyft or rideshare than it is -- or it would be much easier for us probably sometimes to take the train to get to American Airlines, but the fear of the unknown and being afraid you're going to miss your ride home is a little bit scary. So that's the importance of also making sure you're doing those things in advance with your student. You start here, then you go do real-time something with them and a lot of the time I think it's important for you to maybe even follow your student and let them think that they're being independent. You know, I think the story my dad tells my brother and I took tennis lessons and walked to tennis lessons and home. And I don't think we knew at the time, but my dad followed us in the car the whole way to tennis lessons. And when tennis lessons were over he followed us all the way home the first couple of days, just to make sure that we were okay and safe and, you know, all of those things. And for our kids I think it's even more -- it's scarier because not that they're not aware of the environment around them, but they just can't see it sometimes. So -- and also knowing if you walk those routes, hey, this may not be the sayest place to be at 9:00 at night or things like that. My husband and I were in Lubbock about a year ago, and I saw someone walking behind him kind of, but there was someone walking behind me because I don't know, somehow we weren't facing the same direction or something. He saw the person behind me and not behind him and it really took him off guard and we weren't in the greatest part of town. So just making sure that the place that you're going is safe for someone. I don't know that anyplace is completely safe at any given time, but just trying to help them along. 

>>Belinda: I think it's super important to preview that route and be aware of the dangers and time of day, the changes in the time of day. Well, are you ready for me to give the closing code then or do you want to -- do you have another statement? 

>>Shannah: I think so. Like the big thing to remember is like this is like anything else. You have to practice for the student to be comfortable. And again, I can't express enough that AI is something that is evolving and changing. And you just -- I always -- one thing I don't think I said, before you use AI I definitely think I would ask for parent permission. And I might get written permission just because some parents are not comfortable with things sometimes, just to cover yourself. But just remember that you've always got to trust but verify to make sure that what it's doing is what it's supposed to do.