>> Kate Hurst: So, one of the things I thought might be helpful to me, I'm going to skip on over for a minute, when Patty talked about looking at those three chunks together in the assessment, I thought, "Okay, I've got to look at these all together." So I went through and I took the assessment from functional schemes, and I just pulled the emotional perception, the social perception and the perception through play and activity and aligned them by the months that she had. 
>> Cyral Miller: This is from the  FIELA?
>> Kate: And this is from the  FIELA, from the functional schemes, yes. And when I did that, for me, and I don't know if this will help you guys, but it really gave me a nice picture, I thought, of kind of what represents sort of a balanced, a kid that's balanced. When we see these things kind of coming along, in a line, it gave me a nice picture. And so, you know, just kind of looking through this, you know, I think about the kids that I know who are really young but also kids that are older, that I'm still seeing, you know. Like I can look at this and say, "I know 18 year olds who clutch and who pinch and who mouth and who want to cuddle and who will fill and listen," you know. That's where they kind of are perceptually, even though their activity levels may be able, we may be able to get them to do a little higher level stuff, this is where they are. And again, coming back to our educational paradigm, the paradigm doesn't fit where these kids are, and I think we just have to get honest about that and I personally would like to really, you know, with the LID and looking at the STARR-Alt is to try to think about how are we approaching these kids, because I do think we're missing the boat on it.
>> Cyral: How are we establishing that they're at a 0-3 month? I mean, how valid are all those assessments too? I was just curious, how does... where does the 9-12 month come from? Is that typical 9-12 monthers do this or the functional skills assessment defines that? Gigi, do you have a thought on that?
>> Gigi Newton: I think it's based on a normal 12 months.
>> Kate: It is. What Lily says is that it's based on typical, but that she's also, she's done stuff to research and look at and look at other research about norm for visually impaired children. Now I will say personally, when I look through this, some of this sort of doesn't exactly make sense to me because it seems like it's not so much a response of a child but how they do stuff with interactive learning environments. So I'm not, I'm not, I don't know quite what to make of that. And Sara, I know you've done this more than I have. Do you have any thoughts about that?
>> Sara Kitchen: Um...