Description of graphical content is included between Description Start and Description End. Transcript Start [ Music ] [ Title: ] International O&M Online Symposium Welcome (in multiple languages0 [ Title: ] Organized Itinerant Teaching Alex Olson: Okay. So today what we're going to be talking about is having a great work/life balance, staying organized and we're going to be talking about streamlining your data collection and progress monitoring. So there's a lot of stuff that we need to cover and if you have any questions, I'm going to try to check the chat box at the end of each slide or at the end of each topic just to make sure that there ‑‑ there is a way for me to kind of keep up with it so you guys don't have to wait until the end to get your questions answered. Okay. So when we talk about work/life balance, it's not something that I can just lay out on the table and give to you. That is something that you kind of have to create for yourself. So a way that I like to kind of check in with myself is ‑‑ is I have a sheet that I'm going to share in just a second, and it's basically a reflection sheet of what you've done in the past week or month or day even to just take the time to sit back and reflect on what you've done. And when I say your shut off hours, I'm using the quotation marks around that. When I say shut off after working, I mean you go for a run, do you do yoga, do you have someone that you talk to on the phone? Do you knit, do you read, do you have family time? You know, there's a lot of different things that we can do to ‑‑ to kind of affiliate our stress but also helps us have that separation of work and life. And to are have that really, really great balance. So I'm going to pull that up right now. Okay. So the title of this sheet, it says what have you done for me, me, me, me lately? And what it has is there's a whole bunch of boxes on it and there are ‑‑ the first box is about weekly celebration. So this can be, you know, my students really nailed their route this week and we can move on to working on something new or more difficult. Or it could be a personal celebration. It could be a celebration that you have with one of your co‑workers at work. The next little section is called brain jobs and those are things just to ‑‑ brain jogs, those are things to just kind of keep yourself reminded of events that are coming up. So if you have, you know, an IEP next week, one of your brain jogs for this week would be remember to, you know, have all of my stuff together for ABC's IEP next week. It could be conferences that are coming up. It could be really anything that you just need to remind yourself of. And then here towards the bottom, we will zoom in a little bit so we can see it a little bit better. I have goals to improve for next week. And there's ‑‑ there's three, there's a section for three goals in there. And, again, these could be for your students, these could be for yourself, these could be within your professional life. And this can really be anything. But the most important part is that you are identifying the steps to help yourself achieve this goal, but also who can help you achieve this goal. And most importantly, what can I do to make myself feel more balanced? So there's a section for what you can be adding to your caseload and this could be your life caseload or your work caseload and things that you need to take off of your work or your life caseload. And I have a feeling that everyone's off list is going to be a lot longer than everybody's add on list. But ... it's just important to kind of have this in ‑‑ in writing because, you know, studies show when you wrote a goal down, you're more likely to stick to it. And it's just important that you can have that reflection and so what I do with this sheet specifically is I like to print one out for each Friday of the month and I keep them all in one binder. And so each ‑‑ at the end of each week, I go through, I fill it out, but then I can also look back and think about oh, okay, well, last week I was using my brain jog for this, so I need to remember it again this week or I need to be prepared for that for this week or, you know, any celebrations that I might have, any goals, I can kind of do a self‑check of did I reach my goals for this week? Did I improve? Did I take things off of my caseload that I needed to take off? Did I add things on that I need to add on? And, yes, Lori, all of the documents are down in the file. Should be in the bottom left hand corner of your page. I'm just pulling the PowerPoint back up really quickly. Okay. So a good formula for the ‑‑ and I have to be a thousand percent honest. I personally am terrible at keeping this formula in mind. [ Laughter ]. So ‑‑ but it's 8 plus 8 plus 8 plus equals 24. So you have 8 hours of work, 8 hours of sleep, and 8 hours of something fun to help you destress, maybe it's family time, maybe, you know, like we had just talked about going for a run or yoga or reading or knitting or anything like that. I know that the majority of us work more than eight hours a day. And that is totally fine. It's just important to remember that you need to have that balance. The balance of 8 hour work day, 8 hours of sleep, 8 hours of you time is really, really beneficial for your mental health. And it helps to prevent burnout. With that being said, if you are at a conference or if you have two 12 hours days in a row, I'm not telling you to not go to work the next day. I'm just saying, you know, keep in mind that there is a need for having that time to relax and destress in your life. And it's very, very important to just kind of see it written down again because a lot of people don't really think about it. They just kind of go, go, go all the time for work and they don't take the time to do something for themselves or some of us to just not sleep. Okay. So when we talk about being your own case manager, this is dependent upon what kind of environment you are working in. So if you have the ability to develop your own schedule in your own working hours, it can either be very easy or it can be very, very difficult. A lot of times I see newer teachers and people that are newer to the field that have a really hard time with the time management aspect of ‑‑ of, you know, creating a schedule, knowing the travel times between schools, and really scheduling out their entire day. If you have the ability to work from home, it is really important to make a schedule for your entire day. And when I say work from home, I mean just ‑‑ oh, my goodness, I'm drawing a blank! If you have students only in the afternoon on one day and you have time in your home in the morning to kind of prep your lessons or ‑‑ or, you know, readvise your schedule or do case notes or IEP progress notes or writing IEPs or answered all of the emails that we have to answer, it's just important for you to have a scheduled time for you to work in your home. And that for me looks like I am up, I am dressed, I am ready to go anywhere by 8:00 in the morning. If I don't have kids until 2:00 in the afternoon, that doesn't mean that I'm going to be able to sleep in until noon and then get up and get around and then go see my kids. No. I keep my same work schedule every single day. It's very, very important to have that ‑‑ that time set, so that you know your schedule is staying the same every day and also gives you a better idea of how you are going to manage your time. And when you are working from home or when you are working, you know, if you are working out in a county and, you know, you don't have an office that is set for you, make sure that you have a designated work space that has good internet or wi‑fi, that has no distractions, that does not have, you know, a million people running around asking you questions or, you know, it's so loud that you can't hear yourself think, just make sure that you have the time and the space that is designated for you with little to no distraction. [Coughing]. Excuse me. When you are making your schedule, make sure that you schedule in travel time, your service hours and your home hours. And another thing that I have seen with itinerant teachers, a lot of them will just say "Oh, I can just see this kid from 12:00 to 1:00, from 1:00 to 2:00 I have this one," but they are not factoring in the travel times between the schools and the traffic at that time of day. Sometimes during lunch time, traffic can be crazy in certain parts of your area. So it might take you a little bit longer to get to your next student and you might not know that if you are traveling this time ‑‑ if you are doing a practice travel at 8:00 in the morning rather than at 1:00 in the afternoon. So another ‑‑ another tip that I would give you when you are your own case manager and you are trying to build your schedule, is actually drive your schedule. Do it on a Saturday or a Sunday or before the school year starts if you're a school‑based O&M, and just make sure that you are traveling the time that you would naturally be traveling them if you are following your schedule. That way you know what the traffic is going to be like. You know if there's a little shortcut. You know if there's something that's going to go awry that is going to prevent you from getting to your next student on time. As always, to prevent burnout, trust yourself to take on what you can handle. I know that a lot of us educators have a really, really hard time saying no. [ Laughter ]. And we need to be able to say you know what? I'm sorry, I really just can't put that on my plate right now. And I don't have the time to devote to that, that I will really feel that it would be successful. It's okay to say no and that is something that I feel like a lot of people, specifically within our field, that we do need to consider. Lori, yes, thank you. Coming in and going out of the schools, saying hello, goodbye, making friends with the secretaries, all of those people that you need to be nice to within your schools, it's very, very important. So, yes, that should definitely be something that should be ‑‑ should be built into your schedule, you know, five or 10 minutes. Okay. So relationship balance within your schools and within your team is hugely important. And ‑‑ and if you have ‑‑ if you have a classroom based setting, you're in the same place with the same people all the time. And a good rule of thumb that I will say is when you are developing healthy appropriate relationships with your co‑workers, don't say anything to anyone that you don't want your boss to know. And ‑‑ and it's always going to be what's best for the students and what is best practice and tray to stay away from the politics as much as you can. Just stay true to yourself, be in your classroom or be in your office, and just make sure that you know at the end of the day that you have done what is best for your students, what is best for your practice and, really, what is best for yourself and for your kids. When you are itinerant, you might see five different sets of teachers in one day. And it is extremely important to ‑‑ to develop great working relationships with those classroom teachers. And it is also important to develop communication and material protocols early. If you have something that you want to be prepped for a student, this really isn't the case for O&M‑ers or if you have a map and you are going on a field trip you would like to make a tactile graph or there are handouts or something like that associated with the field trip, it's just important to develop all of these protocols early so you are not walking into your lesson or going on a field trip with a student and getting something that you need to have prepped right then and there. Communication is essential, especially when our kids are absent. If you have to drive 45 minutes to your next student, you don't want to drive 45 minutes and then realize that the student is not there. So typically what I like to do is I like to set up an email chain with the classroom teacher or teachers, if they have more than one, and just make sure that I'm checking in with them periodically. Normally I like to do it around the time that I do their IEP progress updates. And just make sure that everything is, you know, running smoothly, so that they're still happy with your schedule, where it is during the day. And if there's anything that needs to be improved about your schedule or your service delivery model or if they want something to be improved, this is just a good open way to have all of this in the open, communicate about it, and it's also important that, you know, I'm in Florida, so sometimes we have hurricane days, but we can plan for those because we know that they are coming like a week out. But if you guys have snow days or if you have, you know, inclement weather days, it's really, really important that you have that communication protocol set up with the people in your schools so that you know if they're not having school that day because of snow or ice or there's a hurricane coming. You know, there's many different things that can happen that can stop a student from getting to school. And it's nice to know about that before you get out there. It just makes it a lot easier for everybody involved. Yes. I agree, Rachel. Okay. So when I ‑‑ when I think about data collection, I know that we all have crazy amounts of data that we have to keep on our students and it ‑‑ it can be very hectic sometimes. So what I like to do is I keep a jotting journal, I have microchip right here, it's really cute. There we go. And inside ‑‑ let me find the page with writing on it. Inside it just has the week and then all of my days are kind of all listed out here. And you can get one that is just blank pages, you could do a calendar format, whatever works for you is really what's going to be best. So what I do when I'm working with a student is I would just write down, you know, my lesson started at 8:15, we went until 9:15. Any big things that came up during the lesson, anything that was kind of, you know, I think I might need to talk to their teacher about that or ask about that. I just write it down. Normally I like to put a time stamp on it. So, you know, we left the school at 8:15. At 8:35 my student said his stomach hurt, at 8:42 we started to head back because it was really not, you know, we were not able to continue the lesson. This will be really, really helpful for you when you do your case notes at the end of your lesson or at the end of your day. It will just help you really kind of put together a better picture of what your lesson looks like. And even ‑‑ if your students have behavior or if a tantrum happens or refusal happens, it's good to note we left the billing at 8:15, my student refused to do anything from ‑‑ from 8:17 to 8:42 or, you know, my student threw a temper tantrum from 9:05 to 9:25. Or anything like that. It just good to have that specific data. I realize this could be happen, the writing down can be hard when you are traveling with a student, especially if you're outside or on a community lesson. So what I like to do, I like to use the notes feature on my phone where you can just do the voice to text and you can just speak into it and then I like to just end the note and email it to myself. Or they have the ‑‑ there are little recorders that can just fit into your pocket, an ear bud comes out like the iPhone head phones before it went wireless used to have, all that you have to do is just leave it running, hit the record button when you need to say something about your lesson. And then it will all just be there. A lot of times when I am driving between students, I will just keep my phone in the seat next to me, running with the voice, so that I can just verbally download everything that just went on during that lesson. And, again, it just helps you with your case notes at the end of the day or your progress notes at the end of the semester or the quarter ‑‑ the quarter and it just helps you have ‑‑ more concise notes and ‑‑ and better data keeping. So I have a few of my forms that I like to use for keeping data. One of them is for um just a singular school student. Let me pull that up. Okay. So this has all of your student's information up at the top. You know where your student, what school district, what grade level, everything about your student is in there. It also has the IEP progress date. So there's one of two ways that you can ‑‑ that you can use this. At the beginning of the year you can go ahead and fill those progress dates in, if you know when a student's IEP is or the end of the quarter or you can use that kind of as your self‑check that you can have that as ‑‑ as your way to know, okay, you know, back in December, I did my progress updates and then now nine weeks later, I'm going to write the date in and go ahead and do those progress updates. So this is for ‑‑ this could be for one goal, if you just have one goal for your student or if you have more than one goal. What I like to do is I just copy and paste right here in that first column what the student will be doing. The service date and time. And then the accuracy or trials needed to achieve that goal, to have mastery of that goal, but also how many they completed. So if we're looking at routes, and you ask a student to travel three different routes within your lesson and they were only able to travel one, that ‑‑ this is the column where you would list that. And then, again, you have evidence and comment. So this could be part of your jotting journal if you wanted it to be. You could have one of those pages or multiple pages for each one of your students and this is the section where you keep your notes because this really is where you're going to be pulling your data off of to make your progress updates. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, we use Google forms and we use 365 as well. We really, really love them. Let me see, I think this might be the different sheets. Yes, okay. This sheet has the same information listed at the top. It has the IEP progress dates listed at the top as well. Like I said, you can use that as prefilled in to remind yourself, have a little brain jog. Or you can use is as your self‑check, that you are making sure that you have done your progress updates. So then this is more for a student that has multiple IEP goals. So maybe if you are a TVI and an O&M and you are responsible for more than one goal or if you have two or three O&M goals and just one TVI goal or vice versa, this is good to have all of the IEP goals and benchmarks listed out and, again, all I do is just copy and paste from the IEP itself. And then on this next page, it's very easy for the most part to remember which goal you are going to be working on. So I just like to list the number of goal right here. Again, the service date and the time and then the accuracy needed, the accuracy achieved, the evidence and the comments. So this ‑‑ this is a great tool just to have for any of your students that you have multiple goals that you are responsible for on their IEP. And I know that a lot of us keep our case notes on our computer or we have them in a Google drive or Microsoft 365 file. But it's also nice to have these either on your work computer or your personal computer at home. Or handwritten in a binder. So that there is never a question about the services that you have given a student and the things that you have worked on with your student and there's no way that someone could come back and question your progress updates or when you take this information and develop new IEP goals, this can be the springboard for that. So this is your reasoning for making a new IEP goal because so and so, you know, mastered their routes that we were working on this year, so we need to expand or we need to work on something new. Let me get back to the PowerPoint really quickly. Okay. So now when ‑‑ when I'm thinking of staying organized on the road, I know that we have ‑‑ the majority of us have a boat load of stuff [ Laughter ] in our cars. And if you have a driver, if you are a person that is visually impaired and you have a person that drives you and you have a tote or a case that you take with you every day or if you are someone that is driving, make sure that you have your trunk or your travel case organized. And some ways to do that is always make sure that you replenish all of your materials at the end of the week or at the end of the month. What I would like to do is I have a whole bunch of different boxes in my car trunk. One has office supplies, like Sticky Notes and pens and pads of paper, extra pages for my jotting journal, things like that in it. Then I have another box that is strictly resource materials, educational materials, copies of my goal sheets. Anything that I might need to grab, if I'm walking into an IEP or if I'm walking into a meeting. I also have a box that is specific to each student. And in that box I have a binder for each student or each school district or each school, it depends upon your caseload. And in that binder, I have tabbed sections for each student, but I have a copy of their most recent IEP, a copy of their most recent social and vision evaluation learning media assessment, a copy of their most recent Eye Report, the classroom schedule for their teachers, the contact information for their teachers and for their school, any important information that I might need in case I needed to get in touch with the parents that day. And that way at any given time, I can just go to my trunk, pull out this one binder, stick it in my bag and be able to walk into a school and know that I have all of my information with me. When I say find new purposes for old items, I mean like diaper bags, camera bags. There are some scrap booking bags that have many different little compartments on them, that have wheels on them, you can wheel them into your school and wheel them right back out. The boxes that I bought were honestly just little fabric squared boxes from Wal‑Mart. They were super cheap. Just a really, really easy way to kind of have everything organized. Because there's nothing worse than ‑‑ yes, garden tool bags are amazing, Angela, I love those. They have lots of little areas to put things, sorry, I got excited about that. So the boxes that I have are just square boxes so they fit in there really nicely and neatly, that way everything is not just strewn about on the back seat of my car or when you open my trunk it doesn't look like a bomb went off in there and it's really easy because when you go to get something, you know exactly where it is. You know if it needs to be replenished or not and you can just walk right into a school, walk right out and put it back where it needs to go and know ‑‑ and know that it's there for the next time. And that is something that's really important, because if you leave something in a school and then you travel to your next school and you realize that you don't have the binder, you can, in theory, go back and get it. But you also can just make a mental note that you need to pick it up the following day or, you know, whenever you need that information for that next student. When you are traveling from school to school, it is important because they know that not everybody has, you know, school cell phone or even a data plan on your personal cell phone that is unlimited. It is super important to print out either ‑‑ I saw someone earlier that used Google maps to make their route. I like to print out our ‑‑ my travel documents from Google maps or triple A does some as well, called Trip Tikss, and it gives you the route. So if you are an area where you don't have cell service and you don't have any idea where you are going, it's nice to have all of this information in one little binder so that everything can just be right there, again for you to pull it out while you're driving and just make sure that you are going in the right direction. Since I'm a TVI, when I'm going in to do functional vision evaluation or learning media assessment or when you guys are going in to be seeing what type of cane or what size of cane to use for a student or doing an orientation and mobility evaluation, I like to keep all of my assessment materials in one bag in my trunk. So that way I know exactly where it is. Again, I can just pull it out and go. And the most important thing that I can say about being organized on the road is labeling everything! Label, label, label, label, label. That way you know where everything needs to go, when it needs to go back into your trunk or into your back seat. But it also gives you the realization that, you know, maybe this area of my trunk needs to be replenished like my Sticky Notes are running low or something like that. The biggest thing that I think with being organized on the road, once you make your system, you have to stick to your system. And that's why I don't want to tell you guys you should do it, this way, this way, this way. But ... I want you guys to make your own system ‑‑ my puppy wants to say hi. [Dog barking]. I want you guys to make your own system because if you make your own system it works for you, it's also going to be something that you are more than likely going to stick to and that is what is so important. There are so many times that we have seen people come in and say, "Okay, this is how we're going to do it, this is how we're going to organize it." If you are not crazy type A like me, then it's probably not going to work for you, whatever system I come in and say "Nope this is how we're going to do it." So it's just important to make sure that you are the one that's creating your system and that knowing that you are the one that's going to have to stick to your system. Okay. Staying organized at home. This is very important. Especially if you have children. And I don't have children. I only have puppies for the time being. But even they get into my stuff. [ Laughter ]. So I know it can be hard. So what I would think that is the most important take away for staying organized at home is finding your own space and maintaining it. And that means having your own desk space, having, you know, your own supplies, keeping the distractions to a minimum, so this desk space is not going to be in the room where your kids are watching TV or where there's a radio on or something like that. Can you guys still hear me? Okay, good. The next thing is making sure that you are keeping your work materials away from your family materials. So what I like to do is ‑‑ when I go to a store to buy staples and paper clips and Sticky Notes and all of that kind of stuff, I like to have a specific amount that goes directly to my work station and then the rest of them can go into my junk drawer in the kitchen or, you know, wherever it is that might be that it would be accessible to everyone in your family to use. And anything that is in my desk is specifically just for work. So I make sure that I know at all times how much is in there, if I need to replenish it, if I need to, you know, tweak things in any sort of way or if I'm running low on something and I need to get more Sticky Notes. I do know, some of my colleagues actually have their office in a spare bedroom, so that the closet in that spare bedroom is the closet for their work supplies. And it might just be, you know, a small box in there for them to have, but it is really important to make sure because there's nothing worse than ‑‑ than trying to leave for work or sitting down to do a report or something and not having the supplies that you need. And, of course, it is really important to have reliable internet to make sure that when you are working from home or, you know, when you are having to [indiscernible] emails and all of those things, that you are able to. [Dog barking]. Staying organized in school. So it's very important to find your own space in the school. Again, this could be just a really small little box. Keep to your schedule. Make sure that you establish your communication protocol, the first day. And if not the first day, make it extremely, extremely early. Make sure that you document properly for what services you have provided. And that is ‑‑ that is a good way to ‑‑ to do that that is ‑‑ by using jotting journal or by using your case notes. And it is so vital. You always have to sign in and out of each school that you visit. And it is so simple to create your own, if you wanted to. And it could even have a section for the classroom teacher or the student even or the secretary in the office to just make an initial ‑‑ I know a lot of the schools that I go in and out of in Florida are now doing an electronic documentation system. And what I do is at the end of every month, I just ask for them to print out my records of how many times I visited the school and the month and my sign‑in time and my sign‑out time. That way you know that they have it on hand, but that if something ever happens, that you have it on hand as well. If you are ever going to be absent or if you wake up sick or again if there's a hurricane day or snow day or something like that, it is just so much easier to have those binders in the trunk to be able to go out and maintain communication with your classroom teachers and it's also nice to know about any upcoming field trips or activities. So by developing that communication protocol early and maintaining it throughout the year, you are more than likely going to be in the loop about hey, we have a field trip next Wednesday, I know that's your lesson time, do you want to meet us at the field trip or do you want to come with us all day or, you know, do you want to rearrange your schedules for next week. Those are all really, really important things within your schools. Finding your own space in the classroom or if you are lucky enough to have an office in your school, that's huge. But making sure that not only does that space look nice and neat and organized, it also makes it look more professional. That also goes back to the vehicles as well. When you are walking by someone's car, I know that I do it, if there is trash and stuff all over in their front seat and their back seat, I probably don't think that that person is somebody that I want to come in and teach my student because they might be a little disorganized or, you know, something like that. So it's just very important to just kind of make sure that it looks professional at all times and especially, you know, your space within the classroom or your space in your office, if you have an office in a school building, just make sure that it's nice and neat and, you know, organized and professional, just so that it's a better portrait of yourself. Okay. So ‑‑ so I talk really fast, I'm sorry about that. [ Laughter ]. But if you guys have any questions, this is my contact information. Right here. My name is Alex Elizabeth Olson, I work for Allied Instructional Services, that is actually my cell phone and so if you ever need anything or if you want to text me a picture of your trunk and say, help me, I can help you with that. And, yeah, I'll open it up for questions. Oh, Angela, thank you, I'm glad that you got some useful things out of this. Yes, of course you can share those PDFs. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, I think what they're going to be sharing in just a few seconds. These ‑‑ Dee, that's a very good question. Typically what I like to do, I keep all of my information in the trunk and my trunk is locked separately than my car. So ‑‑ so in the event that I was in a car accident, unless my trunk flew open, it would still be confidential. I ‑‑ I don't know about what I would do if my car was stolen. I guess that would be ‑‑ if that's a concern in the area that you work in, or if that is a concern just in general, I would say maybe just have initials instead of the full student information or make sure that you take all of the information like have all of your student information in one binder, so that you can just make sure that it's on your person at all times. So, you know, if you are aware from your car and your car gets stolen, there's no confidential information in there that would be compromised. Let's see, Sheila, what do you think is the most challenging part of my job? I love my job. Oh, goodness. Most challenging part about my job. I would like to see my kids more. I have a really hard time letting go of my kids. And really love being creative and really working on the Expanded Core Curriculum and a lot of times people don't see the benefit of teaching a child who is blind how to make a sandwich or, you know, a snack. Things like that. So it ‑‑ those to me are the biggest challenges is having to explain why I want to make a ‑‑ why I want to make a peanut butter sandwich with my kids and the benefit of it. Okay. Let me see. Lori, I do have a picture of my trunk. There's actually a picture of my trunk on our blog. Our blog is visions of the blind.blog spot.com. I'll write it in the chat. I do have a picture of my trunk on there and I promise you that it does still look like. I didn't just make it pretty for ‑‑ [ Laughter ] ‑‑ for the picture. That ‑‑ that visions of the blind is the ‑‑ the blog that ‑‑ that my team and I keep at Allied Instructional Services. Oh, that's a cool idea, Jennifer. I have a ‑‑ one of those long Tupperware containers that you store um ‑‑ wrapping paper in. That's what I store canes in, in my car. So that I can keep it upright behind my passenger seat and that way I can just reach behind and grab one out. And they all stay ‑‑ they all stay in there pretty well. But with the folding canes, most of the time I fold them up and I just have a box of canes in my trunk. Do you guys have any more questions? Yes, Sheila, I'll do that right now. It didn't? There it is. I was typing the wrong one, sorry. Jerri, no. For students that are TVI and O&M, oh, my goodness, I typed that wrong again. Whew. Here we go, guys, sorry. For ‑‑ Jerri the information for the TVI and the O&M students, I keep it altogether. Shoe organizers are really good because they have the small boxes that you can put things into. Unfortunately, I have not found a shoe organizer that can be put into my car trunk or the back seat of my car without it just completely taking up every space possible. So ‑‑ Thank you, Terri. Yes, Jessica, yes, for the office, it's great. I will check that out. Yeah, it is just visions of blind dot blog spot dot‑com. Jerri, yes, I have seen those, too. Unfortunately, I haven't found one that can fit a binder or anything like that. It's mostly smaller pockets. I have seen the ones that police officers use and ‑‑ and I haven't been able to find one that can fit all of my stuff. [ Laughter ]. Thank you so much, guys. [ Title: ] International O&M Online Symposium Thank you [ Music ] Fade to black.