1 00:00:01,516 --> 00:00:05,576 [Silence] 2 00:00:06,076 --> 00:00:07,406 >> Texas School for the Blind 3 00:00:07,406 --> 00:00:12,206 and Visually Impaired Outreach Programs Present Accessibility 4 00:00:12,266 --> 00:00:13,176 Using AdobeConnect. 5 00:00:14,236 --> 00:00:18,656 April 28, 2015 Presented by Jim Allan. 6 00:00:18,806 --> 00:00:21,096 Statewide Technical Support Specialist. 7 00:00:21,806 --> 00:00:25,896 Allan-J at T-S-B-V-I dot E-D-U and Kate Hurst. 8 00:00:26,466 --> 00:00:28,436 Statewide Staff Development Coordinator. 9 00:00:28,766 --> 00:00:33,746 Hurst-K at T-S-B-V-I dot E-D-U 10 00:00:36,326 --> 00:00:38,146 >> Kate: Hi, I am Kate Hurst, 11 00:00:38,386 --> 00:00:41,076 I am the Statewide Staff Development Coordinator 12 00:00:41,076 --> 00:00:42,386 at Texas School for the Blind 13 00:00:42,386 --> 00:00:44,276 and Visually Impaired Outreach Program. 14 00:00:44,816 --> 00:00:47,986 And I'm here along with my colleague, Jim Allan. 15 00:00:48,216 --> 00:00:51,576 Jim, you want to start your webcam? 16 00:00:51,576 --> 00:00:52,636 >> Jim: Oh, okay. 17 00:00:53,136 --> 00:00:59,206 >> Kate: And we were contacted by Norm, oh, back in the fall, 18 00:00:59,326 --> 00:01:01,696 to pull together this presentation 19 00:01:01,766 --> 00:01:07,306 since we've been using AdobeConnect for about a year 20 00:01:07,306 --> 00:01:12,826 and a half, maybe two years now to do webinars for teachers 21 00:01:12,826 --> 00:01:14,656 and other individuals around the state. 22 00:01:14,656 --> 00:01:19,476 We're going to share what we've learned about accessibility, 23 00:01:19,476 --> 00:01:24,446 what we know about AdobeConnect and some 24 00:01:24,446 --> 00:01:26,946 of the workarounds we've come up with to make sure 25 00:01:26,946 --> 00:01:29,376 that the information that we're sharing 26 00:01:29,456 --> 00:01:31,096 with participants is accessible. 27 00:01:31,096 --> 00:01:35,406 And I'm going to turn it over to Jim for the major portion 28 00:01:35,406 --> 00:01:38,366 of this and then I'll share some workarounds a little later. 29 00:01:39,116 --> 00:01:39,576 >> Jim: Okay. 30 00:01:39,756 --> 00:01:41,866 So this is Jim Allan here. 31 00:01:41,866 --> 00:01:44,866 I am the accessibility coordinator 32 00:01:45,646 --> 00:01:47,326 at the Texas School for the Blind -- 33 00:01:47,326 --> 00:01:48,006 >> [indiscernible] to navigate. 34 00:01:48,076 --> 00:01:48,476 >> Jim: Oh, be quiet. 35 00:01:49,036 --> 00:01:52,066 That other voice you just heard was JAWS. 36 00:01:52,206 --> 00:01:53,996 I have that running on my machine. 37 00:01:54,646 --> 00:01:56,556 And I've been doing accessibility 38 00:01:56,556 --> 00:02:00,286 and web accessibility for 20, 30 years, 39 00:02:00,286 --> 00:02:02,206 and was a teacher before that. 40 00:02:02,626 --> 00:02:04,186 So we're going to jump in. 41 00:02:04,306 --> 00:02:07,636 Hopefully you all have your handouts. 42 00:02:08,606 --> 00:02:13,876 And the first thing I'm going to cover is -- 43 00:02:14,136 --> 00:02:16,716 that at least what we do is we use the -- 44 00:02:17,566 --> 00:02:19,416 the phone bridge so that everybody calls in. 45 00:02:19,416 --> 00:02:22,136 As you can see, there are technical difficulties 46 00:02:22,236 --> 00:02:22,736 with that. 47 00:02:23,396 --> 00:02:25,816 But I think we've found that that works easier 48 00:02:25,816 --> 00:02:27,706 than people have all their different microphones 49 00:02:27,706 --> 00:02:28,836 and all that sort of stuff. 50 00:02:30,686 --> 00:02:33,546 So The first thing we'll talk about and I won't do anything 51 00:02:33,546 --> 00:02:36,306 on the screen yet until we talk about the user side. 52 00:02:37,026 --> 00:02:40,866 For the presenters, sending a direct link 53 00:02:41,166 --> 00:02:44,466 to the AdobeConnect room 54 00:02:44,896 --> 00:02:48,206 for your course is what we found works better 55 00:02:48,856 --> 00:02:51,116 because the keystrokes seem to work differently 56 00:02:51,686 --> 00:02:54,686 when the AdobeConnect opens up inside the browser 57 00:02:54,826 --> 00:02:57,016 because the browser takes some of the keystrokes. 58 00:02:57,486 --> 00:03:00,166 So having the AdobeConnect application 59 00:03:00,496 --> 00:03:03,096 by itself is much better. 60 00:03:03,646 --> 00:03:07,016 The captioning pod must be installed every time you create 61 00:03:07,016 --> 00:03:07,686 a new room. 62 00:03:07,886 --> 00:03:11,186 That's the -- We'll talk about how to get there in a bit, 63 00:03:11,836 --> 00:03:14,386 but that's where we have the live captioner come in. 64 00:03:14,826 --> 00:03:18,126 We can also send that when our good buddy Andy who's here doing 65 00:03:18,126 --> 00:03:21,186 the technical support, when we make this available 66 00:03:21,226 --> 00:03:25,616 for everybody as an archive, then we'll include the captions 67 00:03:25,736 --> 00:03:29,106 with it so that everyone can read it and search it. 68 00:03:30,946 --> 00:03:34,436 For low vision users it would be useful to provide a description 69 00:03:34,436 --> 00:03:36,386 of the layout of the presentation window, 70 00:03:36,386 --> 00:03:39,686 probably also for users who are blind also. 71 00:03:39,686 --> 00:03:43,446 At least tell them the order in which the pods appear 72 00:03:44,176 --> 00:03:47,576 on the screen, left to right orientation. 73 00:03:47,656 --> 00:03:50,716 So for low vision people that the chat is 74 00:03:50,716 --> 00:03:52,556 in the upper right hand -- 75 00:03:52,746 --> 00:03:53,116 >> Kate: Upper left. 76 00:03:53,346 --> 00:03:54,316 >> JIm: Upper left-hand. 77 00:03:54,316 --> 00:03:56,166 Yeah. I'm also dyslexic. 78 00:03:56,716 --> 00:03:59,966 So the chat is in the upper left 79 00:04:00,216 --> 00:04:03,436 and on the lower left is the closed caption window. 80 00:04:04,016 --> 00:04:05,746 The main window in the center 81 00:04:05,746 --> 00:04:09,066 of the screen is the PowerPoint presentation. 82 00:04:09,746 --> 00:04:11,936 That is not accessible to the screen reader. 83 00:04:11,936 --> 00:04:14,086 That's just a pretty picture of some text. 84 00:04:14,946 --> 00:04:19,366 So you have to send the presentation to the users ahead 85 00:04:19,366 --> 00:04:22,016 of time and make sure that that is accessible, 86 00:04:22,016 --> 00:04:24,566 be it a PowerPoint or a P-D-F or a Word file 87 00:04:25,086 --> 00:04:28,626 because even though you can flip sides here, it -- 88 00:04:28,756 --> 00:04:30,326 they're not going to be able to read anything. 89 00:04:31,186 --> 00:04:32,666 On the right side of the screen 90 00:04:32,896 --> 00:04:36,266 in the upper right we have the video portion. 91 00:04:37,126 --> 00:04:40,366 Below that in the middle section we have the files list 92 00:04:40,966 --> 00:04:43,476 where users can download files 93 00:04:43,476 --> 00:04:44,806 if they haven't gotten them already. 94 00:04:45,456 --> 00:04:48,846 And then in the lower right-hand corner is the attendees list. 95 00:04:51,736 --> 00:04:52,236 All right. 96 00:04:52,236 --> 00:04:55,726 The presenters can change the font size and text-based pods 97 00:04:55,786 --> 00:05:00,726 like the notes pod and the chat pod to a larger font size, 98 00:05:00,726 --> 00:05:03,246 but the users can also change them themselves. 99 00:05:03,916 --> 00:05:05,536 So you have it both ways. 100 00:05:05,536 --> 00:05:08,646 You can set it a little bit larger for everybody to begin 101 00:05:08,646 --> 00:05:11,166 with and if that's not enough for people, 102 00:05:11,796 --> 00:05:14,746 then they can have control over their own environment, 103 00:05:15,176 --> 00:05:16,356 which is also a useful thing. 104 00:05:17,156 --> 00:05:19,756 The host can change the name of the pods, 105 00:05:19,966 --> 00:05:23,166 so we've kept them pretty simple like attendees and files 106 00:05:23,166 --> 00:05:26,256 and video, but could you call them whatever you wanted. 107 00:05:26,846 --> 00:05:29,046 The one we don't have control 108 00:05:29,046 --> 00:05:32,616 over is the closed captioning pod because that's an add-in 109 00:05:33,196 --> 00:05:35,556 to the AdobeConnect tool. 110 00:05:36,036 --> 00:05:39,136 So it's what it is and you have to deal 111 00:05:39,136 --> 00:05:40,706 with that ugly name that we have. 112 00:05:43,226 --> 00:05:47,276 Okay. Sometimes we have -- there's pods that pop up, 113 00:05:47,276 --> 00:05:48,876 like when you take a poll or something. 114 00:05:49,036 --> 00:05:51,976 The presenter has control over where it pops up. 115 00:05:52,086 --> 00:05:57,916 Now, there is a limitation on the question of 65 characters. 116 00:05:57,916 --> 00:06:01,076 So if you can't get the question under 65 characters you may have 117 00:06:01,076 --> 00:06:02,226 to read it out -- out loud. 118 00:06:02,546 --> 00:06:06,056 And that's a limitation of the AdobeConnect system 119 00:06:06,056 --> 00:06:08,026 and you have to work around it. 120 00:06:08,686 --> 00:06:11,216 You must make the pod as large as you can 121 00:06:11,216 --> 00:06:12,836 so all the text will show up. 122 00:06:13,366 --> 00:06:15,366 There is a limit of 65 characters. 123 00:06:16,886 --> 00:06:18,976 Before you push the poll make sure all 124 00:06:18,976 --> 00:06:20,306 of the question is displayed. 125 00:06:21,676 --> 00:06:24,916 And for low vision users always put the polls 126 00:06:25,436 --> 00:06:27,336 in the top left-hand corner of the screen 127 00:06:27,336 --> 00:06:28,266 so they're easy to find. 128 00:06:29,546 --> 00:06:31,976 Usually or I would think sometimes the -- 129 00:06:31,976 --> 00:06:34,196 if they're watching the PowerPoint 130 00:06:34,196 --> 00:06:36,396 and having it pop right up over the PowerPoint is not 131 00:06:36,476 --> 00:06:37,446 such a bad thing either. 132 00:06:37,606 --> 00:06:41,876 But whatever you do, tell your participants where they're going 133 00:06:41,876 --> 00:06:44,106 to pop up so that they know where to look. 134 00:06:44,646 --> 00:06:47,956 Because if your screen magnification at six 135 00:06:47,956 --> 00:06:50,436 or eight X you might be someplace else on the screen 136 00:06:50,916 --> 00:06:53,226 and something could pop up and not know it. 137 00:06:53,976 --> 00:06:58,506 But AdobeConnect does make a distinct sound so that you know 138 00:06:58,506 --> 00:07:00,396 that something did pop up somewhere 139 00:07:00,396 --> 00:07:01,576 so it'll go hunt for it. 140 00:07:05,366 --> 00:07:07,646 There is no indication of the number of choices. 141 00:07:09,296 --> 00:07:12,096 So if there's, you know, if you have six choices you might want 142 00:07:12,096 --> 00:07:13,206 to tell your users that. 143 00:07:13,206 --> 00:07:14,956 If you did like a multiple choice question. 144 00:07:15,336 --> 00:07:19,236 This was an open-ended question so anyone could get 145 00:07:19,236 --> 00:07:22,816 in to the poll and type their answer, 146 00:07:22,816 --> 00:07:26,486 but if you do a multiple choice then you need 147 00:07:26,486 --> 00:07:28,386 to tell them how many choices are there 148 00:07:28,386 --> 00:07:31,366 because when you navigate into it with a screen reader, 149 00:07:32,806 --> 00:07:34,626 it will just -- you will down arrow to it, 150 00:07:34,626 --> 00:07:36,876 and I'll demonstrate that in a minute. 151 00:07:36,876 --> 00:07:40,546 Down arrow to it and it will just keep reading all 152 00:07:40,546 --> 00:07:41,806 of the choices and you don't know. 153 00:07:41,806 --> 00:07:46,256 And it won't say when you get to the end. 154 00:07:46,256 --> 00:07:47,626 >> Kate: Jim, I'm going to jump in here... 155 00:07:47,626 --> 00:07:48,106 >> Jim: Go ahead, Kate. 156 00:07:48,106 --> 00:07:49,436 >> Kate: Because we got a little help from Chris 157 00:07:49,486 --> 00:07:52,886 who just informed us that we can indeed change the title 158 00:07:53,276 --> 00:07:56,286 of the closed captioning pod by double-clicking on it. 159 00:07:56,996 --> 00:07:58,166 So I've changed it. 160 00:07:58,166 --> 00:07:58,856 Thank you, Chris. 161 00:07:59,516 --> 00:07:59,816 >> Jim: Nice. 162 00:08:01,076 --> 00:08:02,016 See, learned something new. 163 00:08:02,016 --> 00:08:03,666 I'll update the handout for that. 164 00:08:03,666 --> 00:08:05,106 Good. Okay. 165 00:08:06,576 --> 00:08:07,486 That makes more sense. 166 00:08:08,126 --> 00:08:12,086 The presenter will need to review the results of the poll 167 00:08:13,696 --> 00:08:16,136 for multiple answers or, 168 00:08:16,226 --> 00:08:17,746 yeah for radio buttons or check boxes. 169 00:08:17,746 --> 00:08:22,116 It would also be useful to include the polls in the handout 170 00:08:22,966 --> 00:08:24,956 so that users will know what's coming up. 171 00:08:24,956 --> 00:08:29,116 And it's also useful for any of those questions that happen 172 00:08:29,116 --> 00:08:31,286 to be longer than 65 characters. 173 00:08:31,856 --> 00:08:35,456 Another thing we do is all the discussion notes, 174 00:08:35,876 --> 00:08:36,806 if there are any. 175 00:08:36,806 --> 00:08:39,486 We don't have the discussion pod open so that's not an issue. 176 00:08:39,926 --> 00:08:43,396 If you did have it open and people did take any notes, 177 00:08:43,396 --> 00:08:45,946 we would mail those out to people along 178 00:08:45,946 --> 00:08:46,876 with the presentation. 179 00:08:48,046 --> 00:08:52,846 We don't use the video pod much other than to have faces there. 180 00:08:53,706 --> 00:08:59,436 If you have -- if you have to show a video, if it's longer 181 00:08:59,436 --> 00:09:01,666 than -- don't make it any longer than 90 seconds 182 00:09:01,666 --> 00:09:04,906 because then you have buffering issues and you will get lots 183 00:09:04,906 --> 00:09:07,376 of artifacts and it just starts to degrade 184 00:09:07,376 --> 00:09:08,456 and it's not really worth it. 185 00:09:08,456 --> 00:09:12,036 It would be better to put a link to people 186 00:09:12,036 --> 00:09:13,966 and have them go watch it ahead of it time 187 00:09:14,166 --> 00:09:16,326 or something like that. 188 00:09:16,576 --> 00:09:19,116 You can set up a participant as a presenter, 189 00:09:19,216 --> 00:09:22,986 you have better access, but you also have the chance 190 00:09:22,986 --> 00:09:25,906 of them crashing your presentation by doing something 191 00:09:25,936 --> 00:09:28,746 by accident as they're exploring their environment. 192 00:09:29,446 --> 00:09:33,976 So use that with some sort of care. 193 00:09:35,596 --> 00:09:36,196 Let's see. 194 00:09:37,236 --> 00:09:39,186 That's about all I have for presenta -- 195 00:09:39,396 --> 00:09:41,026 for presenters, presntaters. 196 00:09:41,106 --> 00:09:41,526 Yeah. Good. 197 00:09:41,526 --> 00:09:44,216 Do you have anything, Kate, to add? 198 00:09:44,616 --> 00:09:48,176 >> Kate: I think you've talked about most of the things, 199 00:09:48,316 --> 00:09:51,456 but we -- I'll -- I'll make sure we've covered what we've been 200 00:09:51,456 --> 00:09:53,556 doing when I -- when we get to the very end just 201 00:09:53,606 --> 00:09:55,126 to make sure, just to summarize. 202 00:09:55,566 --> 00:09:55,996 >> Jim: Okay. 203 00:09:57,616 --> 00:09:59,846 So now we're going to move into sort of to the -- 204 00:09:59,846 --> 00:10:02,926 to the user side and we're going to have JAWS talking here. 205 00:10:03,736 --> 00:10:08,026 I hope that JAWS is understandable. 206 00:10:08,026 --> 00:10:09,736 I've got it set to pretty slow. 207 00:10:09,736 --> 00:10:12,066 It's using one of its better voices, 208 00:10:12,136 --> 00:10:13,566 but it's still a bit robotic 209 00:10:13,566 --> 00:10:15,376 and if you're not used to hearing it. 210 00:10:16,256 --> 00:10:22,016 ...So there was a question that says 'is it more accessible 211 00:10:22,016 --> 00:10:26,176 to import the file to the white board and share the screen 212 00:10:26,246 --> 00:10:27,566 to display the presentation?' 213 00:10:30,796 --> 00:10:33,046 White boards are tough because they're interactive. 214 00:10:33,046 --> 00:10:38,156 If you can see it you can interact with it, 215 00:10:38,226 --> 00:10:39,616 but it's not going to come 216 00:10:39,616 --> 00:10:41,536 across to someone who's using a screen reader. 217 00:10:41,536 --> 00:10:42,696 It's just graphics. 218 00:10:45,666 --> 00:10:48,316 Okay. I'm going to go on and talk about the pods. 219 00:10:50,216 --> 00:10:52,586 So the pods are different sections of the screen. 220 00:10:52,586 --> 00:10:54,386 I talked about the layout already. 221 00:10:54,756 --> 00:10:59,096 You can navigate around the pods and they're highlighted at least 222 00:10:59,096 --> 00:11:03,236 on my screen, and I'm using Windows 7 on -- on my laptop. 223 00:11:03,976 --> 00:11:07,496 They're highlighted with a green box around them and you navigate 224 00:11:07,496 --> 00:11:10,126 to them with a Control-F6. 225 00:11:10,126 --> 00:11:11,856 So that you're -- hold down the control key 226 00:11:11,856 --> 00:11:14,036 and hit the F6 key, the function key. 227 00:11:14,696 --> 00:11:18,506 >> JAWS: Control F-6 Share Pod Closed caption and graphics. 228 00:11:19,746 --> 00:11:23,736 >> Jim: Okay, so it moved to the share pod 229 00:11:23,736 --> 00:11:25,136 and it said it was closed captioning, 230 00:11:25,136 --> 00:11:26,906 so it automatically reads you the title. 231 00:11:27,496 --> 00:11:29,976 So I'm going to hit Control-F6 and move 232 00:11:30,036 --> 00:11:31,966 through the rest of the pods. 233 00:11:32,246 --> 00:11:34,976 Is everybody hearing JAWS okay or do I need to make it louder? 234 00:11:37,516 --> 00:11:42,616 [ silence ] 235 00:11:43,116 --> 00:11:46,926 >> JAWS: Control-F6, share pod accessibility dot P-P-T-X 236 00:11:47,216 --> 00:11:50,976 graphic dialogue to navigate. 237 00:11:51,066 --> 00:11:51,156 >> Jim: So... 238 00:11:51,356 --> 00:11:55,976 >> JAWS: Share pod accessibility dot P-P-T-X graphic. 239 00:11:56,046 --> 00:11:56,156 >> Jim: Okay. 240 00:11:56,156 --> 00:11:58,896 Notice that we're in the PowerPoint sharing window 241 00:11:59,476 --> 00:12:03,826 and if I was in presenter mode I could scroll through the slides, 242 00:12:05,156 --> 00:12:07,186 but it would change the screen, 243 00:12:07,186 --> 00:12:08,486 but the screen reader wouldn't say anything 244 00:12:08,486 --> 00:12:09,576 because it said graphic. 245 00:12:09,576 --> 00:12:11,366 And it's -- maybe you don't know, 246 00:12:11,366 --> 00:12:14,896 but screen readers don't read graphics, they only read text. 247 00:12:16,176 --> 00:12:17,546 So I'm going to keep going around. 248 00:12:18,046 --> 00:12:21,856 >> JAWS: Control-F6, video pod use tab to navigate 249 00:12:22,136 --> 00:12:23,296 through the video feeds. 250 00:12:23,616 --> 00:12:26,136 Press P to pause or play a video feed. 251 00:12:26,336 --> 00:12:29,046 If you are a meeting host, press the delete key 252 00:12:29,446 --> 00:12:33,976 to remove a video feed, video graphic. 253 00:12:34,046 --> 00:12:34,656 >> Jim: So you can see that -- 254 00:12:34,656 --> 00:12:39,156 that JAWS in its basic mode is reading a bunch of information 255 00:12:39,156 --> 00:12:41,736 that the AdobeConnect provides. 256 00:12:41,896 --> 00:12:45,486 So there's various keys that you can hit to play or pause a video 257 00:12:46,186 --> 00:12:49,786 and navigate through some of the other settings. 258 00:12:50,196 --> 00:12:51,136 I'm going to keep going. 259 00:12:52,196 --> 00:12:55,776 >> JAWS: Control-F6, files share pod files graphics. 260 00:12:56,876 --> 00:12:59,666 >> Jim: OK, so there's our files. 261 00:13:02,316 --> 00:13:06,526 >> JAWS: Control-F6, attendee pod attendees graphic. 262 00:13:09,116 --> 00:13:12,896 Control-F6, chat pod, chat graphic. 263 00:13:13,046 --> 00:13:13,196 >> Jim: Okay. 264 00:13:13,196 --> 00:13:20,296 Now that I'm in the...chat pod, every pod has some settings. 265 00:13:20,296 --> 00:13:23,426 And in order to get to the settings you hit Control-F8 266 00:13:23,426 --> 00:13:26,966 and it will pop up a little drop-down menu. 267 00:13:27,476 --> 00:13:29,656 So one of the things that I recommend for people 268 00:13:29,656 --> 00:13:33,066 in the chat pod -- So, I'm going to hit Control-F8 and we'll go 269 00:13:33,066 --> 00:13:33,926 through those settings. 270 00:13:35,436 --> 00:13:37,366 >> JAWS: Control-F8, menu to move 271 00:13:37,366 --> 00:13:39,796 through items press up or down arrow. 272 00:13:40,576 --> 00:13:42,446 >> Jim: Ok, so I'm just now going to hit down arrow. 273 00:13:43,486 --> 00:13:43,836 >>JAWS: Maximize. 274 00:13:44,646 --> 00:13:46,526 >> Jim: That says I can maximize 275 00:13:46,566 --> 00:13:50,676 so I can make the chat window take up the entire screen. 276 00:13:51,286 --> 00:13:53,006 >> JAWS: Start chat with submenu. 277 00:13:53,096 --> 00:13:56,266 >> Jim: So, I can start a chat with various people if I choose. 278 00:13:56,386 --> 00:13:57,516 Oh, I'm not going to go into that. 279 00:13:58,186 --> 00:13:59,086 >> JAWS: Text size submenu. 280 00:13:59,086 --> 00:14:02,466 >> Jim: So, here's one where if I don't have -- 281 00:14:02,636 --> 00:14:06,096 if the chat window that the presenter set up isn't -- 282 00:14:06,566 --> 00:14:09,436 the text isn't big enough for me I can change it myself. 283 00:14:09,436 --> 00:14:11,376 So I can hit a right arrow. 284 00:14:12,346 --> 00:14:12,413 >> JAWS: eight 285 00:14:12,413 --> 00:14:13,266 >> JIM: And it says eight. 286 00:14:13,426 --> 00:14:17,486 And I have...well a really lot of selections. 287 00:14:17,486 --> 00:14:19,376 I have eight to 28 on my screen. 288 00:14:20,646 --> 00:14:20,856 >> JAWS: 18. 289 00:14:22,636 --> 00:14:25,476 >> Jim: And then I just hit enter 290 00:14:26,286 --> 00:14:37,856 and it automatically makes my chat window to 18 point. 291 00:14:38,066 --> 00:14:42,746 >> JAWS: Control-F6, poll pod 1, what systems have you used 292 00:14:42,746 --> 00:14:47,086 in the webinars you -- 293 00:14:47,846 --> 00:14:47,946 >> Jim: Yeah. 294 00:14:48,056 --> 00:14:50,306 >> JAWS: Answer list box row one of two answers. 295 00:14:50,306 --> 00:14:51,226 Left par -- 296 00:14:51,226 --> 00:14:51,606 >> Jim: Okay. 297 00:14:51,676 --> 00:14:55,176 So, for some reason my computer still thinks 298 00:14:55,286 --> 00:14:56,746 that the poll window was open. 299 00:14:57,486 --> 00:14:59,336 >> Kate: It very likely is. 300 00:14:59,606 --> 00:15:01,196 So, let me make sure. 301 00:15:03,106 --> 00:15:04,796 It is. 302 00:15:05,046 --> 00:15:06,926 >> JAWS: Video pod, use tab to navigate 303 00:15:06,976 --> 00:15:08,046 through the video leads. 304 00:15:08,856 --> 00:15:14,976 Press P to pause or play a vid -- Alert sharing stopped. 305 00:15:15,056 --> 00:15:16,966 >> Andy: And Andrew showed you that you could go back 306 00:15:17,196 --> 00:15:19,066 in the pod cycle with shift. 307 00:15:19,406 --> 00:15:19,496 >> Jim: Right. 308 00:15:19,496 --> 00:15:20,076 Shift F6. Right. 309 00:15:20,076 --> 00:15:23,056 I'm going to do that right now so I can get back there. 310 00:15:24,986 --> 00:15:27,976 >>JAWS: Video pod, use full screen button to ac -- 311 00:15:27,976 --> 00:15:29,936 stop button to -- video pod -- 312 00:15:30,076 --> 00:15:33,996 use tab to navigate through the video feed. 313 00:15:34,246 --> 00:15:38,856 Control shift F6, share pod closed -- control shift F6, 314 00:15:39,546 --> 00:15:41,116 chat pod, chat graphic. 315 00:15:41,476 --> 00:15:41,916 >> Jim: There you go. 316 00:15:42,116 --> 00:15:46,136 Okay. So, you can go forward with control F6 317 00:15:46,136 --> 00:15:50,246 and you can go backwards with control shift F6 318 00:15:50,246 --> 00:15:52,676 to cycle through your pods. 319 00:15:53,376 --> 00:15:58,496 And sometimes things will happen that you need to move off of it 320 00:15:58,496 --> 00:16:00,466 and then move back on to it to see a setting. 321 00:16:01,266 --> 00:16:04,656 So I'm going to go back and finish reviewing those settings. 322 00:16:05,406 --> 00:16:09,776 So we're going to do a -- we're in the chat pod, do Control-F8. 323 00:16:10,046 --> 00:16:10,636 >> JAWS: Control F8. 324 00:16:10,636 --> 00:16:12,756 Menu to move through items. 325 00:16:13,096 --> 00:16:15,436 Press -- Max text size submenu. 326 00:16:15,916 --> 00:16:17,696 >> Jim: We talked about the text size. 327 00:16:18,356 --> 00:16:19,596 >> JAWS: Chat color submenu. 328 00:16:19,596 --> 00:16:21,316 >> Jim: You can change the chat color windows. 329 00:16:21,956 --> 00:16:23,656 One of the next ones -- 330 00:16:24,046 --> 00:16:25,566 >> JAWS: Reverse order of messages checked. 331 00:16:26,326 --> 00:16:26,606 >> Jim: Okay. 332 00:16:26,606 --> 00:16:29,796 So, reverse order of messages means 333 00:16:29,876 --> 00:16:33,726 that it will show you the most recent message on the bottom 334 00:16:33,726 --> 00:16:39,076 of the screen all the time otherwise it starts the chat 335 00:16:39,856 --> 00:16:41,876 start at the top of the screen 336 00:16:41,876 --> 00:16:43,566 and just go all the way down to the bottom. 337 00:16:43,566 --> 00:16:45,456 So you're always having to scroll to find 338 00:16:45,456 --> 00:16:48,316 out what the latest message is, which is really tedious. 339 00:16:48,316 --> 00:16:50,766 If you do the reverse order, 340 00:16:51,116 --> 00:16:54,016 then the newest message always appears up on top, 341 00:16:54,356 --> 00:16:58,376 which makes it a lot easier to read. 342 00:16:58,376 --> 00:17:01,846 The other item that's useful... 343 00:17:03,076 --> 00:17:03,676 >> JAWS: Chat sounds checked. 344 00:17:03,676 --> 00:17:04,296 >> Jim: is the chat sounds 345 00:17:04,736 --> 00:17:06,646 so that any time somebody types something 346 00:17:06,646 --> 00:17:10,516 into the chat it makes a little boo-boo, which you may 347 00:17:10,516 --> 00:17:10,976 or may not have heard. 348 00:17:12,626 --> 00:17:14,616 >> Kate: Jim, we have a question from Samantha. 349 00:17:14,796 --> 00:17:16,876 How is this tool different than Google groups? 350 00:17:18,656 --> 00:17:19,356 >> Jim: I don't know. 351 00:17:19,866 --> 00:17:21,546 I haven't -- I haven't tried it. 352 00:17:21,606 --> 00:17:22,436 >> Kate: Okay. 353 00:17:22,616 --> 00:17:25,976 >> Jim: When I have -- I've been in a couple of presentations 354 00:17:26,036 --> 00:17:32,826 where we used -- we tried to do a live webinar sort of of a -- 355 00:17:32,956 --> 00:17:37,326 an awards ceremony and we were in the Google building 356 00:17:37,326 --> 00:17:40,386 at the time and the whole thing crashed around our ears. 357 00:17:41,536 --> 00:17:43,346 So we weren't able to broadcast it. 358 00:17:43,346 --> 00:17:46,076 So I haven't had a lot of experience with it other 359 00:17:46,076 --> 00:17:49,736 than that one time and I wasn't doing any technical stuff in it. 360 00:17:50,916 --> 00:17:53,696 >> Kate: Another question 'is that option only available 361 00:17:53,696 --> 00:17:56,426 to screen readers because I cannot see that option 362 00:17:56,426 --> 00:17:58,506 when I open the menu button.' 363 00:17:58,556 --> 00:18:00,156 I can't either, Michelle. 364 00:18:00,156 --> 00:18:01,796 I think that must be the case. 365 00:18:02,916 --> 00:18:03,456 >> Jim: Where what? 366 00:18:04,086 --> 00:18:09,336 >> Kate: To reverse my...order on the chat. 367 00:18:09,636 --> 00:18:15,626 >> Jim: There's a little -- it doesn't show up? 368 00:18:15,746 --> 00:18:15,976 >> Kate: No. 369 00:18:16,716 --> 00:18:17,646 >> Jim: How bizarre. 370 00:18:18,676 --> 00:18:19,446 It must be. 371 00:18:19,446 --> 00:18:23,846 You know, when I was testing this and writing it, I tested it 372 00:18:23,846 --> 00:18:25,136 and wrote it with a screen reader. 373 00:18:26,046 --> 00:18:28,396 You know, that would be really useful for everybody. 374 00:18:31,516 --> 00:18:34,436 [silence] 375 00:18:34,936 --> 00:18:38,136 >> JAWS: Escape, leaving menus. 376 00:18:38,136 --> 00:18:39,196 >> Kate: We've got some comments. 377 00:18:39,196 --> 00:18:42,356 'I'm using the Control-F6, but not hearing the pod titles. 378 00:18:42,476 --> 00:18:43,356 Any idea why? 379 00:18:43,356 --> 00:18:44,416 I'm using JAWS.' 380 00:18:45,306 --> 00:18:46,006 >> Jim: 16. 381 00:18:46,116 --> 00:18:48,236 Yeah. I'm using JAWS 15. 382 00:18:48,236 --> 00:18:51,586 When I was at my computer I didn't have any issues with it. 383 00:18:51,916 --> 00:18:55,316 Try a -- an insert escape and see 384 00:18:55,486 --> 00:18:57,296 if refreshing the screen helps. 385 00:18:57,296 --> 00:19:02,726 And sometimes I also do an alt tab to switch applications 386 00:19:02,726 --> 00:19:03,936 and then switch back in. 387 00:19:04,306 --> 00:19:07,286 It sort of wakes up JAWS. 388 00:19:07,286 --> 00:19:10,966 >> Kate: Does it have anything to do with the type of -- 389 00:19:11,006 --> 00:19:12,396 with the browser they're using? 390 00:19:12,396 --> 00:19:14,456 Because, you know, we did have problems with some 391 00:19:14,456 --> 00:19:17,556 of the things with Chrome, I think. 392 00:19:17,556 --> 00:19:17,916 >> Jim: Yeah. 393 00:19:18,426 --> 00:19:19,926 Well...yes. 394 00:19:20,556 --> 00:19:21,856 You know, that's an interesting point. 395 00:19:22,406 --> 00:19:27,596 So because AdobeConnect even if you have this -- the -- 396 00:19:27,596 --> 00:19:30,186 the separate application, it is Flash. 397 00:19:30,336 --> 00:19:32,896 This is just one giant Flash application. 398 00:19:33,526 --> 00:19:38,516 And Flash seems to work better in I-E than anything else. 399 00:19:40,336 --> 00:19:44,906 So maybe opening it up in I-E instead of Fire Fox 400 00:19:45,456 --> 00:19:50,206 and then even though you're using the AdobeConnect, 401 00:19:51,226 --> 00:19:54,646 I call it a plug-in, it may work better in I-E 402 00:19:54,646 --> 00:20:01,606 than it does in...Fire Fox even though it's still a massively 403 00:20:01,606 --> 00:20:02,956 huge flash application. 404 00:20:03,306 --> 00:20:03,876 Oh good. 405 00:20:04,216 --> 00:20:05,596 >> Kate: Mary said she -- that's working. 406 00:20:05,596 --> 00:20:06,136 [ Laughter ] 407 00:20:06,136 --> 00:20:06,616 >> Jim: Hot dog. 408 00:20:06,796 --> 00:20:09,806 >> Kate: That's one thing about AdobeConnect I've discovered is 409 00:20:09,886 --> 00:20:13,816 that for whatever reason it seems to like I-E better 410 00:20:13,816 --> 00:20:16,996 than the other -- Chrome or Fire Fox. 411 00:20:17,146 --> 00:20:22,196 And even for non-screen reading functions, and I don't know why. 412 00:20:22,516 --> 00:20:22,786 >> Jim: Yeah. 413 00:20:26,886 --> 00:20:30,386 Oh good. Somebody else said that AdobeConnect works fine for us 414 00:20:30,706 --> 00:20:32,396 without screen readers and all browsers. 415 00:20:32,396 --> 00:20:34,986 Yeah things generally work better without screen readers. 416 00:20:35,206 --> 00:20:40,406 But for those of us who need them, we'll move on. 417 00:20:42,236 --> 00:20:43,686 Hmm. Interesting. 418 00:20:44,656 --> 00:20:47,216 >> Kate: And see we've had problems with the -- 419 00:20:47,556 --> 00:20:49,736 the add on for windows. 420 00:20:50,026 --> 00:20:51,246 I don't know why. 421 00:20:51,246 --> 00:20:55,636 Again -- In fact, just today I spent over an hour 422 00:20:55,716 --> 00:21:03,686 with AdobeConnect trying to be able to use my webcam, and it -- 423 00:21:04,076 --> 00:21:06,726 it keeps shutting down and we don't know why. 424 00:21:07,366 --> 00:21:11,726 And the add-in wouldn't install properly. 425 00:21:11,726 --> 00:21:16,346 And even when it did install properly moments later it wasn't 426 00:21:16,346 --> 00:21:17,156 functioning again. 427 00:21:17,226 --> 00:21:18,716 So I don't know what that's about. 428 00:21:19,326 --> 00:21:21,536 >> Jim: We call that a feature. 429 00:21:21,536 --> 00:21:21,603 >> Kate: Yeah. 430 00:21:23,076 --> 00:21:23,336 >> Jim: Okay. 431 00:21:23,546 --> 00:21:25,766 So let's go on. 432 00:21:25,766 --> 00:21:29,196 I'm going jump next to the files pod. 433 00:21:31,066 --> 00:21:32,636 So I'm going to do my Control-F6. 434 00:21:33,136 --> 00:21:37,936 >> JAWS: Control-F6 attendee -- Control F6, share pod closed -- 435 00:21:38,396 --> 00:21:43,386 Control-F6, video -- Control-F6, share -- Control-F6 -- 436 00:21:43,906 --> 00:21:47,496 Control-F6, file share pod, files graphics. 437 00:21:48,486 --> 00:21:48,826 >> Jim: Okay. 438 00:21:48,826 --> 00:21:54,986 So in the files pod, once I get there I can hit tab. 439 00:21:56,096 --> 00:22:01,316 >> JAWS: Tab, list box row one 440 00:22:05,156 --> 00:22:08,246 of three name accessibility using AdobeConnect dot P-P-T-X 441 00:22:08,246 --> 00:22:08,936 size 99 K-B. 442 00:22:08,936 --> 00:22:09,216 >> Jim: Okay. 443 00:22:10,276 --> 00:22:11,476 So it -- as soon as I tabbed 444 00:22:11,476 --> 00:22:12,956 into it it told me I was in a list. 445 00:22:12,956 --> 00:22:15,286 Notice that it didn't tell me how many files were there 446 00:22:15,736 --> 00:22:18,106 so it might be useful to tell your users that, 447 00:22:18,136 --> 00:22:18,976 but if you just hit a down arrow. 448 00:22:19,046 --> 00:22:21,116 >> JAWS: Row one of three name Accessibility 449 00:22:21,116 --> 00:22:21,706 >> Jim: Oh it did say. 450 00:22:22,366 --> 00:22:26,036 >> JAWS: Using AdobeConnect dot P-D-F size 99 K-B. 451 00:22:26,036 --> 00:22:32,186 List box row one of three name Accessibility Using AdobeCon-- 452 00:22:32,186 --> 00:22:32,256 >> Jim: Yeah. 453 00:22:32,286 --> 00:22:33,976 Be quiet. So I just hit the control key. 454 00:22:34,266 --> 00:22:35,086 >> JAWS: List box row two 455 00:22:35,216 --> 00:22:41,126 of three name Sign-in Roster 1-4 dash 1-5 dot P-D-F size 40 KB. 456 00:22:41,126 --> 00:22:44,926 >> Jim: And then any time I want I can just hit tab. 457 00:22:45,236 --> 00:22:48,526 >> JAWS: Tab, upload file dot, dot, dot button to activ -- 458 00:22:48,746 --> 00:22:52,286 Tab download file left pair and right pair and button 459 00:22:52,576 --> 00:22:54,606 to activate press spacebar. 460 00:22:54,856 --> 00:22:55,156 >> Jim: Okay. 461 00:22:55,156 --> 00:22:57,076 So then there's my download button 462 00:22:57,076 --> 00:23:01,736 and if I hit the spacebar I would be taken to another screen 463 00:23:02,536 --> 00:23:07,166 in my browser and then you would tab until you hit a button 464 00:23:07,666 --> 00:23:10,746 that says -- what does it say? 465 00:23:11,006 --> 00:23:13,606 Click to download. 466 00:23:13,846 --> 00:23:17,056 And then you would hit the enter key on that because it's a link 467 00:23:17,056 --> 00:23:19,546 and then it would download the file for you and go 468 00:23:19,636 --> 00:23:23,046 through your dialogue box for your operating system 469 00:23:23,576 --> 00:23:28,536 on where you want to download the particular file. 470 00:23:30,126 --> 00:23:32,696 So that's that, and that's just a fallback. 471 00:23:33,446 --> 00:23:35,876 Do you have another poll, Kate? 472 00:23:35,986 --> 00:23:36,436 >> Kate: I do. 473 00:23:36,756 --> 00:23:37,206 >> Jim: Okay. 474 00:23:37,206 --> 00:23:39,686 Let's have -- does this have multiple choice in it. 475 00:23:39,686 --> 00:23:41,366 >> Kate: I think I can find one. 476 00:23:41,366 --> 00:23:44,396 Let me get my -- if I can get my fingers to work. 477 00:23:44,396 --> 00:23:46,006 >> Jim: So, we'll do a poll and we'll -- 478 00:23:46,006 --> 00:23:47,166 we'll move through this. 479 00:23:50,106 --> 00:23:51,306 >> Kate: Do you want multiple choice 480 00:23:52,466 --> 00:23:52,556 >> Jim: Sure. 481 00:23:52,556 --> 00:23:56,066 >> Kate: or do you want -- where they can pick multiple things? 482 00:23:56,536 --> 00:23:57,326 >> Jim: Just one. 483 00:23:57,326 --> 00:23:58,596 >> Kate: Just one. 484 00:23:58,756 --> 00:23:58,976 Okay. 485 00:23:59,076 --> 00:24:00,726 >> JAWS: Alert, Poll pod 2, 486 00:24:01,726 --> 00:24:06,416 how frequently do you participate in the webinars? 487 00:24:06,416 --> 00:24:06,926 Use votes button. 488 00:24:06,926 --> 00:24:07,126 >> Jim: Okay. 489 00:24:07,126 --> 00:24:10,216 So it popped up and it says -- it read the title, 490 00:24:10,216 --> 00:24:14,076 how frequently do you participate in a webinar? 491 00:24:15,456 --> 00:24:19,666 Okay. So let's see, the question is read. 492 00:24:19,666 --> 00:24:21,476 The only way to reread the question is 493 00:24:21,476 --> 00:24:22,976 to unfocus and refocus. 494 00:24:22,976 --> 00:24:24,576 So this is where you do a Control-F6 495 00:24:24,576 --> 00:24:30,106 and then a control shift F6 to move back to the pod 496 00:24:30,206 --> 00:24:35,146 to reread the question in case you forgot it. 497 00:24:35,146 --> 00:24:37,236 Okay. So tab cycles us through the answers. 498 00:24:38,056 --> 00:24:38,686 >> JAWS: Tab, edit button to -- 499 00:24:38,766 --> 00:24:42,606 tab edit poll button to activate press spacebar. 500 00:24:42,766 --> 00:24:44,016 >> Jim: Oh, I'm in presenter mode. 501 00:24:44,016 --> 00:24:45,796 That's why I'm seeing these extra buttons. 502 00:24:46,276 --> 00:24:50,366 So, because I'm in presenter mode, I get the edit 503 00:24:50,366 --> 00:24:52,056 and the edit poll button. 504 00:24:52,196 --> 00:24:54,456 As users you shouldn't be seeing those. 505 00:24:55,326 --> 00:24:57,116 >> JAWS: Tab, [indiscernible] radio button check. 506 00:24:57,556 --> 00:25:00,376 To change the selection press up or down arrow. 507 00:25:00,466 --> 00:25:03,406 To change the selection press up or down arrow. 508 00:25:05,246 --> 00:25:09,406 Tab broadcast results check box check, shift pad, 509 00:25:09,736 --> 00:25:11,696 [indiscernible] radio button check 510 00:25:11,956 --> 00:25:14,946 to change the selection press up or down arrow. 511 00:25:14,946 --> 00:25:16,186 To change the selection -- 512 00:25:16,596 --> 00:25:16,716 >> Jim: Yeah. 513 00:25:16,716 --> 00:25:18,506 Be quiet. I'm going to hit the up arrow. 514 00:25:19,076 --> 00:25:20,776 >> JAWS: At least one or more times [indiscernible]. 515 00:25:20,916 --> 00:25:22,436 At least one or more times -- 516 00:25:22,816 --> 00:25:25,776 seven dash one zero times [indiscernible] radio 517 00:25:25,896 --> 00:25:26,486 button checked. 518 00:25:26,816 --> 00:25:29,486 To change the selection press up or down -- 519 00:25:29,666 --> 00:25:31,786 three dash seven times [indiscernible] radio 520 00:25:31,876 --> 00:25:32,466 button checked. 521 00:25:32,986 --> 00:25:38,166 one dash two times [indiscernible] radio 522 00:25:38,946 --> 00:25:39,566 button checked. 523 00:25:39,596 --> 00:25:40,736 To change the selection press up or down arrow. 524 00:25:40,766 --> 00:25:40,976 To change -- 525 00:25:41,056 --> 00:25:41,146 >> Jim: Okay. 526 00:25:41,436 --> 00:25:47,506 There. So I'm -- I'm done with my poll there. 527 00:25:50,066 --> 00:25:53,196 And so even though the directions say tab cycles 528 00:25:53,196 --> 00:25:55,886 through the answers, that doesn't work for radio buttons 529 00:25:55,886 --> 00:25:57,116 and JAWS tells you that. 530 00:25:58,356 --> 00:26:02,246 Check boxes and other sorts of things will cycle through, 531 00:26:02,246 --> 00:26:04,426 but for radio buttons you use the up and down arrow 532 00:26:04,426 --> 00:26:06,176 because you only get one choice anyway. 533 00:26:06,176 --> 00:26:12,436 When there's a short answer field, 534 00:26:13,026 --> 00:26:16,896 the edit field is presented when the question's asked 535 00:26:17,336 --> 00:26:18,866 and you're already in the edit box 536 00:26:18,936 --> 00:26:20,696 but it doesn't tell you you're in the edit box 537 00:26:20,876 --> 00:26:22,196 and you can just start typing. 538 00:26:22,196 --> 00:26:25,006 And then you tab to the submit button. 539 00:26:27,226 --> 00:26:30,966 >> JAWS: Closed caption and graphics. 540 00:26:31,096 --> 00:26:31,636 >> Kate: You want me to pull that-- 541 00:26:31,636 --> 00:26:32,856 that poll up for short answers? 542 00:26:32,916 --> 00:26:33,026 >> Jim: Sure. 543 00:26:33,756 --> 00:26:35,266 Let's pull up a short answer one. 544 00:26:35,976 --> 00:26:36,886 >> Kate: We have a question. 545 00:26:36,886 --> 00:26:39,676 Can you start and end a recording with JAWS 546 00:26:39,836 --> 00:26:41,726 or another screen reading software. 547 00:26:41,726 --> 00:26:44,056 So that's something to get to in a minute. 548 00:26:44,606 --> 00:26:45,106 >> Jim: Okay. 549 00:26:45,186 --> 00:26:45,706 I don't know. 550 00:26:45,706 --> 00:26:49,626 I'll have to figure that out because I -- I only -- 551 00:26:50,246 --> 00:26:51,016 >> JAWS: To activate press spacebar. 552 00:26:51,856 --> 00:26:51,996 >> Jim: Shhh. 553 00:26:52,746 --> 00:26:58,986 I've only -- when I was working on this I only did it as a user. 554 00:26:59,596 --> 00:27:02,436 Maybe we need to do another one as a presenter 555 00:27:02,436 --> 00:27:05,916 because there's a whole other host of keystrokes 556 00:27:06,126 --> 00:27:08,986 and functionality that goes along with that 557 00:27:08,986 --> 00:27:11,676 and then I thought for this session being able 558 00:27:11,676 --> 00:27:13,886 to do the presenter part was quite enough. 559 00:27:14,376 --> 00:27:16,886 It filled up my head. 560 00:27:18,006 --> 00:27:23,436 So we had a new poll pop up and I didn't hear the question 561 00:27:23,736 --> 00:27:25,166 because I was busy talking. 562 00:27:25,836 --> 00:27:29,696 So let me get off of this pod. 563 00:27:30,376 --> 00:27:33,946 >> JAWS: Control-F6, file share pod files graphic. 564 00:27:34,286 --> 00:27:36,156 >> Jim: And I'm going to get it back to the pod. 565 00:27:36,246 --> 00:27:37,586 Control Shift F6 566 00:27:38,146 --> 00:27:40,256 >> JAWS: Control Shift F-6, poll pod one, 567 00:27:40,926 --> 00:27:42,846 what systems have you used 568 00:27:42,846 --> 00:27:44,816 in the webinars you have participated 569 00:27:45,766 --> 00:27:47,736 in during [indiscernible]. 570 00:27:47,736 --> 00:27:48,136 >> Jim: Okay. 571 00:27:49,416 --> 00:27:50,236 So let's see. 572 00:27:52,036 --> 00:27:53,976 Oh. Again, I'm in the presenter -- 573 00:27:54,196 --> 00:27:55,546 can you make me a participant? 574 00:27:55,606 --> 00:27:58,216 >> Kate: Let me make you a participant, Jim. 575 00:27:58,426 --> 00:28:00,116 >> Jim: Because nothing is functioning right. 576 00:28:00,536 --> 00:28:03,636 I have all these extra buttons of edit 577 00:28:03,636 --> 00:28:06,806 and end poll and view votes. 578 00:28:07,266 --> 00:28:08,986 And we may have to pop the poll up again. 579 00:28:09,536 --> 00:28:09,626 >> Kate: Okay. 580 00:28:11,956 --> 00:28:14,146 You are now a participant and see if it makes any difference. 581 00:28:14,806 --> 00:28:15,206 >> Jim: Aha! 582 00:28:19,096 --> 00:28:24,056 >> JAWS: Control-F6, control shift F6, poll pod 1, 583 00:28:24,726 --> 00:28:29,626 what system have you used in the webinars you have participated 584 00:28:31,056 --> 00:28:31,336 in during [indiscernible]. 585 00:28:31,336 --> 00:28:31,496 >> Jim: Okay. 586 00:28:33,056 --> 00:28:33,166 >> JAWS: J -- 587 00:28:33,596 --> 00:28:33,966 >> Jim: No, hit tab... 588 00:28:34,486 --> 00:28:36,676 JAWS: Tab, type your answer here. 589 00:28:36,786 --> 00:28:37,706 dot dot dot edit. 590 00:28:38,036 --> 00:28:39,226 Type with text. 591 00:28:39,566 --> 00:28:43,586 Type with text. 592 00:28:43,586 --> 00:28:43,896 >> Jim: Okay. 593 00:28:43,896 --> 00:28:48,126 I'll have to edit that in my directions. 594 00:28:48,166 --> 00:28:51,756 Okay. So now I can just type my answer. 595 00:28:52,746 --> 00:28:57,236 >> JAWS: a-o-d-o-b-e space c-o-n-n-e-c-t 596 00:28:57,586 --> 00:28:57,806 >> Jim: There. 597 00:28:58,006 --> 00:28:58,886 Then I hit tab. 598 00:28:59,596 --> 00:28:59,726 >> JAWS: Tab. 599 00:28:59,726 --> 00:29:00,686 Send answer button. 600 00:29:00,966 --> 00:29:01,746 To a-- Enter. 601 00:29:03,126 --> 00:29:05,706 Space, to activate press spacebar. 602 00:29:06,526 --> 00:29:06,806 >> Jim: There. 603 00:29:06,976 --> 00:29:10,156 So I submitted my answer. 604 00:29:10,316 --> 00:29:13,566 I suppose I -- I could go back, do a shift tab 605 00:29:13,566 --> 00:29:14,946 to get back in my edit box. 606 00:29:15,276 --> 00:29:16,566 >> JAWS: Shift Tab Adobe Connect edit. 607 00:29:16,946 --> 00:29:17,896 Type with text. 608 00:29:17,896 --> 00:29:21,946 >> Jim: And I could type in anything else I wanted. 609 00:29:22,636 --> 00:29:26,606 >> JAWS: t-e-l-e-p-h-o-n-e. 610 00:29:26,606 --> 00:29:27,016 Tab [indiscernible] 611 00:29:27,016 --> 00:29:30,326 >> Jim: Then I hit the spacebar to submit my answer. 612 00:29:30,366 --> 00:29:37,446 And then tab again will read me all of my results. 613 00:29:38,946 --> 00:29:42,846 >> JAWS: Tab answer list box row one of 12 answers left pair 614 00:29:42,846 --> 00:29:46,286 and 12 right pair and go to meeting. 615 00:29:46,286 --> 00:29:47,246 >> Jim: Then I'd use down arrow. 616 00:29:48,386 --> 00:29:49,346 >> JAWS: one of twelve answers Left pair 617 00:29:49,476 --> 00:29:52,356 and 12 right pair and go to meeting. 618 00:29:52,356 --> 00:29:55,256 List box row two of 12 answer left pair 619 00:29:55,256 --> 00:29:58,876 and 12 right pair and telephone. 620 00:29:58,876 --> 00:29:59,976 >> Jim: What's happening is -- is -- 621 00:30:00,076 --> 00:30:02,606 people are still answering, so every time I hit the 622 00:30:02,606 --> 00:30:04,816 down arrow it's sort of resetting itself... 623 00:30:05,046 --> 00:30:06,186 >> JAWS: List box row one -- List box row two -- 624 00:30:06,316 --> 00:30:08,006 >> Jim: And it takes me to the top of the list again. 625 00:30:10,306 --> 00:30:19,076 >> JAWS: List box row three of 13, answers left pair 626 00:30:19,316 --> 00:30:21,306 and 13 right pair and [indiscernible]. 627 00:30:21,306 --> 00:30:22,686 AdobeConnect, W-B-X, 628 00:30:22,686 --> 00:30:23,506 [indiscernible] Blackboard Collaborates. 629 00:30:23,506 --> 00:30:27,926 >> Jim: Now there's someone who used a lot of stuff. 630 00:30:28,576 --> 00:30:32,516 But, so if someone answers -- types in a new answer it'll -- 631 00:30:32,516 --> 00:30:35,976 for me it pops up to the top again and then I have 632 00:30:35,976 --> 00:30:37,206 to start all over scrolling. 633 00:30:37,396 --> 00:30:40,086 So I don't know if there's a way for the presenter to say, 634 00:30:40,086 --> 00:30:42,676 you know, I'm -- we're done with answering 635 00:30:42,676 --> 00:30:44,036 or we just close the poll. 636 00:30:44,266 --> 00:30:46,326 >> Kate: Well, usually what we do is we end the -- 637 00:30:46,326 --> 00:30:49,686 we end the poll and then we'll go through briefly 638 00:30:49,686 --> 00:30:51,856 and discuss what's in the poll. 639 00:30:52,336 --> 00:30:52,636 >> Jim: Okay. 640 00:30:52,636 --> 00:30:59,386 We may not necessarily read every answer as it appears, but, 641 00:31:00,406 --> 00:31:02,666 you know, depending on what the question is. 642 00:31:02,666 --> 00:31:02,906 >> Jim: Right. 643 00:31:02,906 --> 00:31:03,126 Okay. There. 644 00:31:03,126 --> 00:31:06,416 And then when the presenter closes the poll the pod 645 00:31:06,416 --> 00:31:06,616 goes away. 646 00:31:06,646 --> 00:31:06,976 So, close that... 647 00:31:07,046 --> 00:31:07,256 >> JAWS: Close pod. 648 00:31:07,256 --> 00:31:10,086 Use tab to navigate through the video feeds. 649 00:31:10,386 --> 00:31:13,656 Press P to pause or play a video feed. 650 00:31:13,656 --> 00:31:17,736 >> Jim: Okay, and since that pod went away, it didn't -- 651 00:31:17,886 --> 00:31:18,846 it didn't say anything 652 00:31:18,846 --> 00:31:21,146 that strange noise you heard was actually me. 653 00:31:21,746 --> 00:31:24,116 So it didn't make a noise when it went away, 654 00:31:24,816 --> 00:31:28,486 but then Jaws had nothing to focus on so it went and focused 655 00:31:28,486 --> 00:31:30,636 on the next immediate pod that was available, 656 00:31:30,636 --> 00:31:33,356 which in my case happened to be the video pod. 657 00:31:34,426 --> 00:31:39,416 And so that's why that was your hint that the polls pod closed 658 00:31:39,676 --> 00:31:41,546 because something else opened. 659 00:31:42,386 --> 00:31:42,926 All right. 660 00:31:42,926 --> 00:31:47,396 >> Kate: Do you want to do the multiple -- multiple answers. 661 00:31:47,426 --> 00:31:48,146 >> Jim: Oh yeah. 662 00:31:48,226 --> 00:31:48,966 Check boxes. 663 00:31:48,966 --> 00:31:50,526 Sure. Why don't we do that. 664 00:31:50,596 --> 00:31:51,866 >> Kate: Doing all the different pods. 665 00:31:54,836 --> 00:31:56,766 >> Jim: Kate will pop up a -- 666 00:31:57,296 --> 00:31:58,896 >> JAWS: Poll pod three. 667 00:31:58,896 --> 00:32:03,106 What are your top three types of music? 668 00:32:03,106 --> 00:32:03,276 >> Jim: Nice. 669 00:32:04,056 --> 00:32:07,976 So it automatically -- it made noise. 670 00:32:08,546 --> 00:32:15,546 It read the title of the...question, 671 00:32:15,866 --> 00:32:18,066 thank you, poll, that thing. 672 00:32:18,696 --> 00:32:23,616 And for me the -- the first -- the immediate first answer, 673 00:32:23,616 --> 00:32:25,606 which is a checkbox called alternative is 674 00:32:26,046 --> 00:32:27,336 immediately highlighted. 675 00:32:28,546 --> 00:32:31,396 But it didn't say alternative, it just is there. 676 00:32:31,976 --> 00:32:33,546 So I'm going to hit tab. 677 00:32:34,996 --> 00:32:35,236 >> JAWS: Tab, [indiscernible]. 678 00:32:36,286 --> 00:32:38,976 >> Jim: You have to do shift tab to -- 679 00:32:38,976 --> 00:32:39,043 [ Laughter ] 680 00:32:39,043 --> 00:32:41,276 where is rock-n-roll? 681 00:32:41,906 --> 00:32:42,426 Seriously? 682 00:32:42,426 --> 00:32:42,656 [ Laughter ] 683 00:32:42,656 --> 00:32:49,776 . So you have to -- You might tell your users that, you know, 684 00:32:49,776 --> 00:32:51,516 they -- they're not going to hear the first one, 685 00:32:51,916 --> 00:32:54,516 at least I didn't hear it, and so if you want 686 00:32:54,516 --> 00:32:56,356 to know what the first one is you have to tab 687 00:32:56,356 --> 00:32:58,296 and then shift tab to get the one you want. 688 00:32:58,786 --> 00:32:59,866 And then you would hit the... 689 00:33:00,166 --> 00:33:00,946 >> JAWS: Space... 690 00:33:00,946 --> 00:33:04,136 >> Jim: Spacebar to pick the one you want. 691 00:33:05,376 --> 00:33:06,646 >> JAWS: Press spacebar. 692 00:33:08,696 --> 00:33:12,276 Space check, to check press spacebar. 693 00:33:13,486 --> 00:33:13,906 >> Jim: There. 694 00:33:13,906 --> 00:33:16,726 And as far as I've been able to -- 695 00:33:16,726 --> 00:33:18,006 you know, if you were a really, 696 00:33:18,006 --> 00:33:20,496 really good JAWS user you could probably get 697 00:33:20,496 --> 00:33:26,126 out of the basic interactive mode and turn on the JAWS cursor 698 00:33:26,126 --> 00:33:31,196 and wade through all those results. 699 00:33:32,086 --> 00:33:33,746 That's not for the faint of heart 700 00:33:33,786 --> 00:33:35,396 for even a really good JAWS user. 701 00:33:36,016 --> 00:33:38,846 So as a presenter you're again going to have to sort 702 00:33:38,846 --> 00:33:43,246 of review the results of what shows up there. 703 00:33:43,246 --> 00:33:46,926 >> Kate: I would say that most times we would not select a 704 00:33:46,926 --> 00:33:49,756 multiple choice that had quite that many options. 705 00:33:50,036 --> 00:33:50,326 >> Jim: Right. 706 00:33:51,276 --> 00:33:52,776 You would just do four or five. 707 00:33:53,076 --> 00:33:56,786 >> Kate: Well, we'd just try to -- to rethink that question. 708 00:33:56,786 --> 00:33:57,256 [ Laughter ] 709 00:33:57,256 --> 00:33:58,976 . Short answer maybe. 710 00:34:01,026 --> 00:34:01,686 >> Jim: Okay. 711 00:34:01,856 --> 00:34:08,266 The discussion notes pod, if it was up, is so you can -- 712 00:34:08,406 --> 00:34:11,976 you can jump in -- really? 713 00:34:14,186 --> 00:34:15,616 Nicely done Andrew. 714 00:34:15,896 --> 00:34:17,726 Let's see if I -- if it works for me. 715 00:34:19,526 --> 00:34:20,846 Nope, mine hitting up and down. 716 00:34:20,936 --> 00:34:23,696 So Andrew just said arrowing up and down 717 00:34:23,696 --> 00:34:26,036 with N-V-D-A reads the percentages. 718 00:34:26,936 --> 00:34:27,676 That's cool. 719 00:34:28,886 --> 00:34:34,646 Okay. So the discussion notes you can get in and take notes 720 00:34:35,516 --> 00:34:38,726 for yourself, but it might be easier to do 721 00:34:38,726 --> 00:34:48,066 that in your own note pad rather than in -- in the notes window. 722 00:34:48,506 --> 00:34:50,686 Because the only way to read the notes is it -- 723 00:34:50,686 --> 00:34:55,536 is to jump into it and read the entire thing as a chunk, 724 00:34:56,196 --> 00:34:58,406 which is pretty tedious. 725 00:34:59,176 --> 00:35:00,016 >> JAWS: Compile discussion notes. 726 00:35:01,246 --> 00:35:03,246 >> Jim: Can you access information in this pod? 727 00:35:03,386 --> 00:35:04,396 Sure, let's go see. 728 00:35:09,056 --> 00:35:12,516 >> JAWS: Control-F6, note pods discussion notes graphic. 729 00:35:13,716 --> 00:35:17,516 Tab, can you access the information in this pod? 730 00:35:17,756 --> 00:35:18,146 Read only. 731 00:35:19,856 --> 00:35:20,876 >> Jim: Yeah, read only. 732 00:35:21,646 --> 00:35:23,756 So that would be up to the participants or whatever 733 00:35:23,756 --> 00:35:26,586 to be taking special notes. 734 00:35:28,346 --> 00:35:31,256 Then if there were a lot more text 735 00:35:31,256 --> 00:35:33,596 in there it would just read it all out to you. 736 00:35:33,936 --> 00:35:36,896 So it might be useful for the presenter or co-presenter 737 00:35:36,896 --> 00:35:40,716 to be taking some sort of notes and then ship it 738 00:35:40,716 --> 00:35:42,856 out to the participants at the end. 739 00:35:42,856 --> 00:35:46,716 And there is a -- 740 00:35:47,776 --> 00:35:49,206 >> JAWS: Control-F8 read only. 741 00:35:49,206 --> 00:35:50,726 Menu to move through items press -- 742 00:35:50,726 --> 00:35:53,576 >> Jim: I was just seeing if there was anything fancy 743 00:35:53,576 --> 00:35:58,786 under the...the menu, the control menu for that. 744 00:35:59,226 --> 00:36:03,116 This is another one of those where it's -- 745 00:36:03,956 --> 00:36:05,496 the notes pod is important 746 00:36:05,946 --> 00:36:08,876 since the user doesn't have any control over the size 747 00:36:08,876 --> 00:36:12,506 of the text that the presenter sets it 748 00:36:12,506 --> 00:36:15,976 up as something that's relatively large 749 00:36:16,326 --> 00:36:17,406 so that everyone can read it. 750 00:36:19,176 --> 00:36:22,976 Okay. So now I'm in the web links pod and I would hit tab. 751 00:36:23,416 --> 00:36:23,506 >> JAWS: Tab. 752 00:36:23,506 --> 00:36:29,226 List box link one of W-W-W dot tsbvi. 753 00:36:29,476 --> 00:36:30,136 >> Jim: Okay. 754 00:36:30,586 --> 00:36:32,906 tsbvi, that's T-S-B-V-I. 755 00:36:33,706 --> 00:36:34,976 It' special. 756 00:36:36,076 --> 00:36:39,406 >> JAWS: Tab, browser button, to activate press spacebar. 757 00:36:39,586 --> 00:36:45,896 U-R-L W-W-W dot tsbvi dot edu. 758 00:36:45,896 --> 00:36:46,176 >> Jim: Okay. 759 00:36:46,556 --> 00:36:48,076 Then if I wanted to go to that 760 00:36:48,596 --> 00:36:50,826 because a presenter said this might be something useful 761 00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:56,126 to you would shift tab back to the browse button and hit enter 762 00:36:56,356 --> 00:36:59,406 and it would fire up your browser and pull 763 00:36:59,406 --> 00:37:00,526 up that particular link. 764 00:37:03,286 --> 00:37:04,356 >> JAWS: To activate... 765 00:37:04,356 --> 00:37:08,536 That's another one of those things that would be useful 766 00:37:08,536 --> 00:37:11,696 to send out the list of things to go, unless there's something 767 00:37:11,696 --> 00:37:16,976 in your presentation that you want to do that for. 768 00:37:17,076 --> 00:37:19,296 >> JAWS: Accessibility for individuals... 769 00:37:20,146 --> 00:37:20,236 >> Jim: Okay. 770 00:37:21,136 --> 00:37:22,136 What else do we have? 771 00:37:22,136 --> 00:37:25,246 Oh! So sometimes you might want 772 00:37:25,316 --> 00:37:28,256 to take a quick poll rather than having a poll. 773 00:37:29,396 --> 00:37:30,306 Did that make sense? 774 00:37:30,826 --> 00:37:32,656 You want to survey the crowd. 775 00:37:32,656 --> 00:37:35,916 So you would say everyone raise your hand and rather 776 00:37:35,916 --> 00:37:40,846 than having all the videos up, you can raise your hand in -- 777 00:37:41,576 --> 00:37:44,946 >> Kate: The attendees? 778 00:37:45,816 --> 00:37:46,146 >> Jim: Yes. 779 00:37:46,146 --> 00:37:49,996 There will be an indicator on the participants list 780 00:37:50,826 --> 00:37:53,476 to show whether you raised your hand or not. 781 00:37:53,676 --> 00:37:59,436 Generally your hand is down to begin with and the quick way 782 00:37:59,436 --> 00:38:01,276 to do it is you do a control E. 783 00:38:03,926 --> 00:38:04,166 >> JAWS: Control E. 784 00:38:04,166 --> 00:38:05,716 >> Jim: And my hand is raised. 785 00:38:06,036 --> 00:38:07,646 And if you look in the participants -- 786 00:38:07,686 --> 00:38:09,596 Samantha johns just raised your hand. 787 00:38:10,946 --> 00:38:14,266 But notice that JAWS didn't say anything. 788 00:38:15,916 --> 00:38:17,966 It just indicated it. 789 00:38:17,966 --> 00:38:21,116 And let's see, Krista raised her hand and Joe raised his, right. 790 00:38:21,916 --> 00:38:24,766 And then I can do control E again 791 00:38:27,446 --> 00:38:27,696 >> JAWS: Control E 792 00:38:27,696 --> 00:38:29,206 >> Jim: and it brings my hand back down. 793 00:38:31,386 --> 00:38:33,676 That doesn't provide you a whole lot of feedback. 794 00:38:33,806 --> 00:38:39,136 So the other way to do it is you hit the control spacebar 795 00:38:39,136 --> 00:38:41,856 and it takes you to the top menu bar in AdobeConnect. 796 00:38:42,246 --> 00:38:44,346 >> Jaws: Control space application menu. 797 00:38:44,646 --> 00:38:47,896 To navigate press left or right arrow menu bar. 798 00:38:48,746 --> 00:38:50,316 >> Jim: And then you would tap -- 799 00:38:51,046 --> 00:38:51,336 >> JAWS: To navigate -- 800 00:38:51,336 --> 00:38:52,386 >>Jim: Yeah, be quiet. 801 00:38:52,386 --> 00:38:52,976 You would Tab 802 00:38:53,316 --> 00:38:55,086 >> JAWS: Tab, leaving menu bar. 803 00:38:55,516 --> 00:38:57,126 [indiscernible] speakers drop down. 804 00:38:57,686 --> 00:38:59,406 Tab, connect by audio -- [indiscernible]. 805 00:38:59,886 --> 00:39:04,646 Tab, stop [indiscernible] Tab, set status button, drop down 806 00:39:04,726 --> 00:39:04,826 >> Jim: Okay. 807 00:39:05,206 --> 00:39:07,046 So, it says set status button. 808 00:39:08,786 --> 00:39:09,836 You can't. 809 00:39:09,836 --> 00:39:13,596 I haven't been able to get in to that menu to -- 810 00:39:13,596 --> 00:39:16,036 because there's a bunch of other statuses that you're away 811 00:39:16,036 --> 00:39:17,946 or you'll be right back or whatever. 812 00:39:18,626 --> 00:39:20,466 But if you hit the spacebar 813 00:39:21,056 --> 00:39:21,176 >> JAWS: Space 814 00:39:21,776 --> 00:39:22,776 >> Jim: it raises your hand. 815 00:39:22,776 --> 00:39:27,076 And then if you get off of this particular button -- 816 00:39:27,356 --> 00:39:28,596 So I'm going to do a shift tab. 817 00:39:29,096 --> 00:39:29,736 >> JAWS: Shift tab, 818 00:39:29,736 --> 00:39:31,906 stop [indiscernible] button drop-down. 819 00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:33,826 >> Jim: And then I'm going to hit tab to go back 820 00:39:33,826 --> 00:39:38,126 on to the button and it's going to tell me what I can do. 821 00:39:39,076 --> 00:39:42,146 >> JAWS: Tab, lower or raise hand button drop down. 822 00:39:42,146 --> 00:39:46,726 >> Jim: It says lower, raise hand button drop-down. 823 00:39:47,266 --> 00:39:49,766 So what it tells me is my hand is currently raised. 824 00:39:49,876 --> 00:39:53,396 And if I hit the spacebar it will lower my raised hand. 825 00:39:54,466 --> 00:39:56,136 So it's a few more keystrokes, 826 00:39:56,426 --> 00:39:59,476 but at least you know sort of what you're doing 827 00:40:00,736 --> 00:40:00,856 >> JAWS: Space. 828 00:40:00,856 --> 00:40:01,736 >> Jim: even though it doesn't -- 829 00:40:01,736 --> 00:40:03,696 you know, when you hit the spacebar it doesn't say your 830 00:40:03,696 --> 00:40:04,796 hand is now down. 831 00:40:04,866 --> 00:40:07,376 No, it just says nothing. 832 00:40:08,556 --> 00:40:10,846 >> Kate: So, Jim, we have a comment, 833 00:40:10,846 --> 00:40:12,656 or a question from Michelle. 834 00:40:12,706 --> 00:40:16,036 She said I tried using control E and it didn't do anything. 835 00:40:16,036 --> 00:40:18,286 Is there another screen reader special feature? 836 00:40:18,556 --> 00:40:20,216 >> Jim: It -- it might be. 837 00:40:20,216 --> 00:40:25,496 The -- One of the things I noticed earlier today is I 838 00:40:25,496 --> 00:40:29,886 forgot to have the AdobeConnect plug-in installed 839 00:40:29,886 --> 00:40:34,806 on my computer, so AdobeConnect opened right inside my browser 840 00:40:35,616 --> 00:40:37,926 and every time I hit Control+E it took me 841 00:40:37,926 --> 00:40:39,706 to the address bar in the browser. 842 00:40:41,176 --> 00:40:42,476 And I know in my notes it's 843 00:40:42,476 --> 00:40:44,496 like I know this worked, I tried ths before. 844 00:40:44,976 --> 00:40:46,276 Why is this failing? 845 00:40:46,846 --> 00:40:50,356 And then I pulled out my laptop and tried it and it worked fine, 846 00:40:50,546 --> 00:40:54,056 and then I noticed that I was in the AdobeConnect application 847 00:40:54,656 --> 00:41:01,276 as opposed to the AdobeConnect thingy in -- 848 00:41:01,366 --> 00:41:04,116 whatever it's called, room inside the browser. 849 00:41:04,526 --> 00:41:06,816 Because the Control E is a browser command. 850 00:41:08,316 --> 00:41:11,176 So it may be another one of those -- I haven't tried it. 851 00:41:11,826 --> 00:41:15,536 N-V-D-A always reports lower or raised hand. 852 00:41:15,906 --> 00:41:17,246 Is my hand up or down? 853 00:41:17,856 --> 00:41:19,016 I don't know, Andrew. 854 00:41:19,016 --> 00:41:20,266 It starts down. 855 00:41:20,726 --> 00:41:22,616 You're just going to have to keep a tally sheet. 856 00:41:24,066 --> 00:41:27,196 I'm on my Macbook and command arrow pulls 857 00:41:27,196 --> 00:41:28,856 down the menu item at the top. 858 00:41:29,146 --> 00:41:31,276 Okay. That's useful, Sara. 859 00:41:31,856 --> 00:41:33,916 Try it with voiceover and see what you get 860 00:41:34,886 --> 00:41:36,586 because screen readers tend 861 00:41:36,736 --> 00:41:44,306 to change the behavior on these things. 862 00:41:44,306 --> 00:41:44,876 Anyway... 863 00:41:45,046 --> 00:41:45,926 >> Kate: Jill says I think my question got lost 864 00:41:45,926 --> 00:41:46,746 in the chat shuffle. 865 00:41:46,746 --> 00:41:52,396 Do you have any experience with WebEX's platform accessibility? 866 00:41:52,396 --> 00:41:55,496 My organization is looking at both Connect 867 00:41:55,496 --> 00:41:57,186 and WebEX for online classes. 868 00:41:59,056 --> 00:42:00,866 >> Jim: Did you guys experiment with WebEX? 869 00:42:01,206 --> 00:42:02,216 >> Kate: We did not. 870 00:42:02,266 --> 00:42:05,866 I have been to things with WebEX, but I don't know 871 00:42:05,866 --> 00:42:07,356 about they're accessibility. 872 00:42:07,446 --> 00:42:09,426 >> Andy: We can refer her to Mike Moore. 873 00:42:10,016 --> 00:42:13,466 They -- they did experiments with WebEX. 874 00:42:13,466 --> 00:42:15,406 >> Jim: There's -- across the street we have the Department 875 00:42:15,406 --> 00:42:18,026 of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services for adults 876 00:42:18,026 --> 00:42:24,256 and they did some experiments with WebEX, five different ones. 877 00:42:24,486 --> 00:42:26,056 And we can see if I can -- I know Mike. 878 00:42:26,116 --> 00:42:29,796 I'll see if I can get his presentation that he did 879 00:42:29,796 --> 00:42:32,066 at a distance learning conference -- what last week? 880 00:42:32,966 --> 00:42:36,226 Where he shared the results of their stuff. 881 00:42:37,776 --> 00:42:40,786 So Joe, you said control down arrow worked, huh? 882 00:42:42,046 --> 00:42:44,686 >> JAWS: Link menu, Search box edit... 883 00:42:47,126 --> 00:42:47,466 >> Jim: No. 884 00:42:47,466 --> 00:42:52,086 On my window, control down arrow opened up my start button. 885 00:42:53,086 --> 00:42:53,876 That's weird. 886 00:42:54,796 --> 00:42:55,596 >> JAWS: Alt tab, 887 00:42:55,596 --> 00:42:55,946 [ indiscernible ] 888 00:42:55,946 --> 00:42:57,626 alt shift tab... 889 00:42:57,976 --> 00:42:58,716 >> Jim: Okay. 890 00:42:58,716 --> 00:42:59,406 Where was I? 891 00:42:59,406 --> 00:43:01,896 Raised hands. 892 00:43:01,896 --> 00:43:05,486 And that's about it for me. 893 00:43:06,256 --> 00:43:10,086 There's some resources in the handouts on how to set 894 00:43:10,086 --> 00:43:12,046 up the closed captioning. 895 00:43:13,026 --> 00:43:15,336 There's a list of keyboard shortcuts 896 00:43:16,136 --> 00:43:18,986 and I think what I may do when I put this up on the website 897 00:43:19,066 --> 00:43:21,796 and we'll send that out also, I have a couple of weeks to do it, 898 00:43:22,386 --> 00:43:30,896 I'll make a nice little table of keyboard shortcuts for per -- 899 00:43:30,896 --> 00:43:34,096 users or participants. 900 00:43:34,096 --> 00:43:37,146 Because the -- the keyboard shortcuts 901 00:43:37,146 --> 00:43:40,906 for the presenters is four or five pages worth. 902 00:43:41,146 --> 00:43:43,596 There's keyboard shortcuts for everything. 903 00:43:44,276 --> 00:43:46,226 Users don't have that much, and I -- 904 00:43:46,226 --> 00:43:50,486 and when we conceived of this presentation my thought was -- 905 00:43:50,486 --> 00:43:55,046 is there's probably a lot more users who are participating 906 00:43:55,046 --> 00:43:57,636 in a webinar who are screen reader users 907 00:43:57,806 --> 00:43:59,746 than they are presenters just 908 00:43:59,836 --> 00:44:02,156 because of the nature of the population. 909 00:44:02,156 --> 00:44:04,716 Because there's a lot fewer people 910 00:44:04,716 --> 00:44:07,516 who are screen reader users. 911 00:44:07,876 --> 00:44:11,316 Anyway, this is our Texas Closed Captioning service. 912 00:44:11,666 --> 00:44:12,406 Thank you. 913 00:44:13,256 --> 00:44:15,876 And then there's the AdobeConnect troubleshooting 914 00:44:15,876 --> 00:44:19,126 page that's also useful for when things go wrong. 915 00:44:19,656 --> 00:44:26,426 So now I'm going to hand it over to Kate. 916 00:44:26,576 --> 00:44:26,946 >> Kate: Thanks, Jim. 917 00:44:26,946 --> 00:44:30,796 As you can probably tell, Jim and I and all the folks here 918 00:44:30,796 --> 00:44:34,936 at T-S-B-V-I are still trying to sort of figure out what's going 919 00:44:34,936 --> 00:44:35,966 to work and what's -- 920 00:44:36,286 --> 00:44:38,546 what workarounds we have to come up with. 921 00:44:39,106 --> 00:44:41,586 And I just have to say that on my part I am 922 00:44:41,796 --> 00:44:46,866 by no way any kind of expert on this. 923 00:44:47,046 --> 00:44:51,466 We've just tried to think up ways to mitigate some 924 00:44:51,466 --> 00:44:53,106 of the problems with accessibility. 925 00:44:53,636 --> 00:44:56,976 One of the things I always do is I send out the handouts 926 00:44:57,066 --> 00:45:02,816 in an electronic format by email prior to the event. 927 00:45:03,076 --> 00:45:05,136 And then like Jim said, we always post them 928 00:45:05,136 --> 00:45:06,816 in the files pod so that 929 00:45:06,816 --> 00:45:08,986 if for some reason they might not have gotten it, 930 00:45:09,036 --> 00:45:13,906 they can at least get access in the room once they get there. 931 00:45:15,706 --> 00:45:20,106 The images on our PowerPoint, we try to encourage all 932 00:45:20,106 --> 00:45:24,496 of our presenters to avoid images unless there's something 933 00:45:25,486 --> 00:45:29,566 really, really important in that image. 934 00:45:29,566 --> 00:45:34,426 And then we insist that they give us captioning information 935 00:45:34,956 --> 00:45:37,116 so that we can give detailed captions 936 00:45:37,116 --> 00:45:38,396 about what the image is. 937 00:45:38,526 --> 00:45:45,776 That way our viewers can get a description 938 00:45:45,836 --> 00:45:49,736 of what's being shown on the screen when they come to it 939 00:45:49,956 --> 00:45:52,536 in the handout as they go through each slide, 940 00:45:52,746 --> 00:45:54,136 it will appear as an image 941 00:45:54,136 --> 00:45:57,796 and there's a detailed caption about what is there. 942 00:45:58,716 --> 00:46:00,876 We talked about the polls a lot. 943 00:46:00,966 --> 00:46:04,156 We've had a lot of -- not a lot, but a number of individuals 944 00:46:04,216 --> 00:46:07,266 who are visually impaired who were not really great 945 00:46:07,366 --> 00:46:09,886 with being able to get into the polls. 946 00:46:10,626 --> 00:46:14,516 So we always tell them what is in the poll 947 00:46:14,586 --> 00:46:18,856 and then let them know that they can respond in the chat 948 00:46:19,026 --> 00:46:20,386 because most of them seem 949 00:46:20,386 --> 00:46:24,116 to have no problems getting into that chat pod. 950 00:46:24,326 --> 00:46:27,536 So that's been a kind of workaround for that. 951 00:46:27,536 --> 00:46:32,136 Of course, Jim mentioned that we always have a live captioner. 952 00:46:33,546 --> 00:46:36,896 And that is -- is really -- 953 00:46:36,996 --> 00:46:40,716 has proven to be not only a wonderful accessibility feature 954 00:46:40,826 --> 00:46:44,346 for our colleagues that are hearing impaired, 955 00:46:44,386 --> 00:46:45,586 but we've actually had a lot 956 00:46:45,586 --> 00:46:48,896 of our non-hearing impaired individuals appreciate the 957 00:46:48,896 --> 00:46:52,026 captioning pod because for a lot of our teachers, 958 00:46:52,086 --> 00:46:56,366 they're often times on cell phones, maybe in their car, 959 00:46:56,366 --> 00:46:58,756 pulled over on the side of the road joining the webinar, 960 00:46:59,456 --> 00:47:03,526 and so that they're not always getting the best signal 961 00:47:03,526 --> 00:47:06,226 through the audio and so they can kind 962 00:47:06,226 --> 00:47:09,336 of make sure what's going on through the captioning pod. 963 00:47:10,106 --> 00:47:12,836 And that's worked out pretty well. 964 00:47:14,766 --> 00:47:20,286 The share pod for our low vision users, 965 00:47:20,866 --> 00:47:23,846 we try to really minimize the clutter 966 00:47:24,316 --> 00:47:28,066 and use the san serif font. 967 00:47:28,586 --> 00:47:29,896 No busy backgrounds. 968 00:47:29,896 --> 00:47:32,966 We usually go with a white or a cream color. 969 00:47:32,966 --> 00:47:38,756 We try to limit the number of lines on each slide. 970 00:47:39,336 --> 00:47:45,826 Like I say, we discourage the use of unnecessary images 971 00:47:45,826 --> 00:47:51,856 or clip art, and so far the feedback we've gotten has been 972 00:47:51,936 --> 00:47:57,246 pretty good that our low vision readers have appreciated 973 00:47:57,246 --> 00:47:59,066 that they can see this screen better. 974 00:47:59,426 --> 00:48:02,636 And I'll tell you as a presenter and also as a participant, 975 00:48:03,046 --> 00:48:04,676 not having so much stuff 976 00:48:04,676 --> 00:48:07,786 on the screen has been my preference as well. 977 00:48:08,726 --> 00:48:12,216 And I know that kind of goes against a lot 978 00:48:12,496 --> 00:48:15,476 of people's desire for -- for flash. 979 00:48:16,066 --> 00:48:19,566 Now, I will say this, that when we've been able 980 00:48:19,696 --> 00:48:26,716 to do PowerPoints and that have a lot of animation, for example, 981 00:48:26,716 --> 00:48:29,466 if we're -- we've done a couple on -- 982 00:48:30,086 --> 00:48:33,986 certain tutorials on different technology, 983 00:48:34,626 --> 00:48:39,986 and what our presenter has done is used animation to point 984 00:48:39,986 --> 00:48:42,646 out different features on the PowerPoint 985 00:48:43,226 --> 00:48:47,246 and then we capture it in Camtasia and put it up 986 00:48:47,246 --> 00:48:50,136 and it seems to work pretty well. 987 00:48:50,136 --> 00:48:54,576 We are experimenting with other types of software to do things, 988 00:48:54,676 --> 00:48:57,446 but we've not really -- 989 00:48:57,816 --> 00:49:01,196 really figured out exactly what's the best thing to use. 990 00:49:01,196 --> 00:49:04,736 I'd be real interested in knowing if others 991 00:49:04,736 --> 00:49:07,906 of you have found good workarounds for that. 992 00:49:08,696 --> 00:49:12,956 As Jim said, we really try to organize the room 993 00:49:12,986 --> 00:49:16,616 in a consistent way and we always put the chat pod 994 00:49:16,616 --> 00:49:17,866 in the upper left corner. 995 00:49:18,406 --> 00:49:23,576 Since that seems to be the one that is the easiest for people 996 00:49:23,616 --> 00:49:28,716 to get in to and for us to interact with them. 997 00:49:28,716 --> 00:49:30,256 So that's worked pretty well. 998 00:49:30,826 --> 00:49:34,936 And then ultimately for a lot of our participants, 999 00:49:35,296 --> 00:49:39,426 they have preferred to just view these as they've been archived 1000 00:49:39,426 --> 00:49:41,906 on our website and just go in 1001 00:49:42,046 --> 00:49:44,636 and access the information that way. 1002 00:49:45,186 --> 00:49:49,046 But again, on our website when we put up the webinar, 1003 00:49:49,086 --> 00:49:54,266 the recorded webinar, we try to -- on the same spot, 1004 00:49:54,366 --> 00:49:57,046 and we're working desperately to try 1005 00:49:57,046 --> 00:49:59,296 to rework our entire distance learning site 1006 00:49:59,406 --> 00:50:02,546 so this looks better so that people can go in 1007 00:50:02,546 --> 00:50:08,506 and get the handout and they also can get the caption -- 1008 00:50:08,666 --> 00:50:11,976 the transcript of the presentation as well. 1009 00:50:12,646 --> 00:50:14,476 And that seems to work pretty well. 1010 00:50:15,626 --> 00:50:19,566 So those are basically the workarounds that we've found, 1011 00:50:19,566 --> 00:50:23,296 and I don't know if you have any questions about that 1012 00:50:23,296 --> 00:50:27,866 or you got any other ideas that you'd like to share with us. 1013 00:50:28,926 --> 00:50:31,216 It's -- it's been very interesting 1014 00:50:31,216 --> 00:50:37,066 and somewhat challenging for us trying to ensure as much 1015 00:50:37,066 --> 00:50:39,816 as possible that we have accessibility 1016 00:50:40,366 --> 00:50:43,226 for these webinar events. 1017 00:50:45,086 --> 00:50:46,576 So Jim, any last thoughts? 1018 00:50:46,716 --> 00:50:51,756 Do we have questions or comments? 1019 00:50:51,756 --> 00:50:53,196 I'm going to unmute the mic 1020 00:50:53,196 --> 00:50:56,486 so people can comment if they'd like. 1021 00:50:57,056 --> 00:50:58,806 >> All guests have been unmuted. 1022 00:50:58,906 --> 00:51:00,976 You will now rejoin the meeting. 1023 00:51:01,046 --> 00:51:01,346 >> Norm: This is Norm. 1024 00:51:01,346 --> 00:51:03,236 I want to make three or four quick comments. 1025 00:51:04,286 --> 00:51:04,866 >> Kate: Sure. 1026 00:51:05,046 --> 00:51:07,326 >> Norm: On the archive for this probably won't be available 1027 00:51:07,546 --> 00:51:08,996 until mid or late May. 1028 00:51:09,696 --> 00:51:15,126 But what I'm going to do is if you go to the easy homepage, 1029 00:51:15,126 --> 00:51:19,266 easi dot c-c, they've got webinars and at the top 1030 00:51:19,266 --> 00:51:23,136 of that page when I have the recording it will be listed 1031 00:51:23,136 --> 00:51:26,096 at the top of the webinar promotion page 1032 00:51:26,286 --> 00:51:30,386 or on the homepage, e-a-s-i dot c-c, 1033 00:51:31,516 --> 00:51:32,976 way down -- [Background noise]. 1034 00:51:33,066 --> 00:51:36,166 I usually list a recording 1035 00:51:36,166 --> 00:51:38,496 of the previous webinar and leave it there. 1036 00:51:39,406 --> 00:51:43,906 So my plan would be to put this webinar up there as well. 1037 00:51:44,056 --> 00:51:47,006 Second thing I want to underline, you have to decide 1038 00:51:47,006 --> 00:51:50,066 when you're doing a webinar are you wanting 1039 00:51:50,186 --> 00:51:52,616 to entertain or communicate? 1040 00:51:52,616 --> 00:51:59,036 And if you're wanting to communicate, then I'd say have 1041 00:51:59,036 --> 00:52:01,946 as little flash and jazz as possible. 1042 00:52:02,046 --> 00:52:04,056 Use as few features as possible. 1043 00:52:04,056 --> 00:52:07,616 Make the interface as simple as possible. 1044 00:52:07,616 --> 00:52:11,766 Be clear about what you're doing. 1045 00:52:12,126 --> 00:52:16,366 And the key to accessibility besides the system is better. 1046 00:52:16,366 --> 00:52:20,796 You can get an accessible system and present it 1047 00:52:20,796 --> 00:52:23,206 in ways that screw it up. 1048 00:52:23,206 --> 00:52:25,346 You can have one that's not very accessible 1049 00:52:25,346 --> 00:52:27,946 and still do pretty well. 1050 00:52:28,166 --> 00:52:30,316 A lot of it depends on the presenter. 1051 00:52:30,916 --> 00:52:33,966 Make sure you want to communicate, keep the interface 1052 00:52:33,966 --> 00:52:35,166 and the content simple. 1053 00:52:36,116 --> 00:52:41,386 And before anybody else runs away, I want to do two things. 1054 00:52:41,386 --> 00:52:44,926 I want to thank everybody for coming and I want 1055 00:52:44,926 --> 00:52:47,816 to give a special thanks to Jim Allan and Kate Hurst 1056 00:52:47,816 --> 00:52:49,566 for this excellent presentation. 1057 00:52:50,066 --> 00:52:53,516 I'm going to shut up and let other people state their 1058 00:52:53,586 --> 00:52:55,876 questions or comments. 1059 00:52:56,046 --> 00:52:56,646 >> Kate: Thanks, Norm. 1060 00:53:00,216 --> 00:53:03,856 >> A quick comment if I can. 1061 00:53:04,176 --> 00:53:04,926 >> Kate: Please. 1062 00:53:05,176 --> 00:53:08,166 >> We use AdobeConnect at work quite a bit. 1063 00:53:08,626 --> 00:53:11,166 I'm by no means a fan of it compared 1064 00:53:11,166 --> 00:53:13,836 to the [indiscernible]conferencing 1065 00:53:13,926 --> 00:53:18,716 that Norm uses, but I have to say and I haven't quite worked 1066 00:53:18,716 --> 00:53:22,696 out why yet, but this session has been so much easier 1067 00:53:22,696 --> 00:53:26,406 to navigate using a screen reader than what we get at work. 1068 00:53:26,446 --> 00:53:26,886 (Background noise). 1069 00:53:26,926 --> 00:53:30,526 I will have to chat with the chaps at work. 1070 00:53:30,526 --> 00:53:34,466 They do -- they do lots of visuals 1071 00:53:34,466 --> 00:53:38,266 and very often changing pods and all sorts of stuff. 1072 00:53:38,326 --> 00:53:39,666 It gets very bewildering. 1073 00:53:39,666 --> 00:53:44,566 But this is working much more nicely. 1074 00:53:46,416 --> 00:53:50,076 >> Jim: Well, it helps too that we had a bit of a navigator 1075 00:53:50,636 --> 00:53:53,716 and I -- I was explaining what was coming up and what was going 1076 00:53:53,716 --> 00:53:56,196 down and what we are actually doing. 1077 00:54:05,436 --> 00:54:07,496 Okay. It's -- it's really amazing 1078 00:54:07,496 --> 00:54:11,006 when everybody is unmuted all the keyboarding and the -- 1079 00:54:11,006 --> 00:54:14,316 and the heavy breathing and everything else that's going on. 1080 00:54:14,316 --> 00:54:16,736 Are there any other questions? 1081 00:54:17,516 --> 00:54:30,716 [Indiscernible] 1082 00:54:31,216 --> 00:54:33,976 Okay. I think we're done. 1083 00:54:34,076 --> 00:54:39,006 >> Kate: I'm going to let our caption ergo at this time and -- 1084 00:54:39,006 --> 00:54:41,476 but we'll stay on for a few minutes more if you want 1085 00:54:41,476 --> 00:54:43,996 to visit on the audio or through chat. 1086 00:54:44,966 --> 00:54:46,976 Thanks, Texas Closed Captioning. 1087 00:54:47,046 --> 00:54:50,226 >> Easi has an interesting one coming up on June 18th 1088 00:54:50,226 --> 00:54:51,646 on wearable computers. 1089 00:54:52,016 --> 00:54:52,686 >> Kate: Ahh! 1090 00:54:52,946 --> 00:54:56,966 That one will be quite interesting. 1091 00:54:57,056 --> 00:54:57,706 >> Thank you Kate and Jim. 1092 00:54:58,476 --> 00:54:59,776 >> Jim: You're quite welcome. 1093 00:55:00,266 --> 00:55:02,076 >> Kate: Thank you.